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    Post Moslem Mosque to be built in Ljubljana

    Minaret Under the Alps

    From: http://www.sloveniatimes.com/1/soc.htm

    For over thirty years the 50,000-strong Muslim community of Slovenia – representing about 2.5 percent of the population – has been waiting for a mosque to be built in Ljubljana. Some claim that there is not enough political will for such a task, while others suggest that the real reason for its absence is prejudice towards Islam.
    The representative of the Muslim community, mufti Osman Đogič, had this to say: “I never thought I would encounter such resistance, and so many irrational arguments.” While waiting for the bureaucratic mills to turn and for public opinion to alter, the community (mainly consisting of Bosnian Muslims, who came to work in Slovenia in the times of Yugoslavia) has continued performing its rituals in small or rented properties – even in sports facilities.
    The story of the mosque dates back to 1969, when the idea was first put forward. In the eighties, plans were issued by the local authority to meet the demand but the necessary permissions were never issued. As a result, the community opted for a temporary solution – they bought a house to use for meetings and prayer. In the early nineties, the original building plans were finally abandoned due to changes in urban planning for the area – the mosque could no longer be placed where it was originally intended. The process then stopped for another ten years, until a new location was granted in 1999. Things were looking good for the community and they were looking forward to laying the first foundation stones, when another problem appeared.
    The neighbours weren’t too enthusiastic about the fact that a mosque was to be built nearby. They were bothered by the possibility of diseases being brought by pilgrims from Mecca, by the noise from the minaret, and they claimed that the building wouldn’t fit culturally into the surrounding environment. They complained, and thus further complicated the procedure. The fate of the mosque then became subject to divided opinions within the city council. While those supporting the left-center position favoured the idea, the opposition was of the opinion that Muslims’ needs could be adequately served by smaller places. Vika Potočnik, the ex-major, tried to reach a consensus, but - probably due to pre-election tensions - failed.
    As a result of the dispute, a vast public debate has started in recent months. Some noted personalities have also added their voices to the debate: The Archbishop Dr. Franc Rode has suggested that a mosque, quite differently than the Christian church, represents not merely a religious, but also a social, cultural and political centre. That is why, he argued, the current condition is satisfactory.
    On the other hand Matjaž Hanžek, Slovenian Human Rights Ombudsman, emphasizes that constitutional rights include the right to a religious building such as a mosque. He interprets the slowness of granting the necessary permissions as a lack of political will.
    Surveys show that public opinion remains negative. More than seventy percent of Slovenians strongly reject the erection of a mosque anywhere in Slovenia. In articles and internet forums different fears are expressed: that the appearance of the landscape will be spoiled, that the number of immigrants will rise, some people even consider the mosque to be an expression of Islamic expansionism and that a mosque is therefore a threat to security. However no-one characterizes his or her statement as prejudiced. The attitude toward Islam is, according to surveys, reserved rather than prejudiced.
    The mosque is of course, a purely urban question. But the public debate which has followed shows us the unpleasant face of multiculturalism. A peaceful cohabitation of different cultures and religions is still some way off – at least in Slovenia. Until then, Ljubljana remains one of the few European capitals without a mosque.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    In a recent talk show, Djogic's comments were edited out for reasons of professed intolerance of seismic proportions. (source in Slovenian)

    Needless to say, they are making allowances for the fact that he's a representative of a minority and backed up by the EU.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    Needless to say, they are making allowances for the fact that he's a representative of a minority and backed up by the EU.

    If it goes up, I hope the slovenians burn it down, just like the Hindus do it in India.

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    I don't see why Laibach should not have a mosque, in particular if the Muslims are Bosnians/Southern Slavs/Europeans.
    They speak a Slavic language, but they aren't regarded as Slavs.

    They have a right to freedom of religion and to erect places of worship like everyone else. Compared to Judaism and Christianity, Islam is in any way the better religion.

    Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah!
    I'm sure you are happy about the Mosques in Gradec, too.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    You don't understand.They don't regard themselves as Slavs,at least the ones I know

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    Compared to Judaism and Christianity, Islam is in any way the better religion.

    Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah!
    I thought you didn't like "Desert Religions"?
    Here's to European Preservation! Huzzah!

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    They tried to build am Mosque in a city near Milano too and with public money
    But the local population revolted and the farmers "contaminated" the ground reserved for the Mosque with pigs' blood, bowels and excrement in order to make that ground impure for Muslims
    It worked temporarly even if lately i've heard the municipality is searching for a new ground.
    A waste of public money while there are thousands of retired italian people that are almost starving with their monthly checks.
    I'd gladly hang the mayor of that city on a tree in the name of freedom of expression..

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    Who understands the Balkan anyway?

    What do they consider themselves then? Ethnically and linguistically?
    Bosniaks, language Bosnian.Descendants of Celto-Illyrians and Goths. "We are all Illyrians and genetically we're probably all the same.", whatever will make them different from Serbs.

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggvi
    True, but I said "Compared to Judaism and Christianity..." It's relative, although some of Allah's and Muhammad's announcements are funky.

    Better an Arabic prophet than a Jewish rabbi as god.
    *yawn*.....change the record. Refuted. Binned. Banned?

    Seriously though, Islam seems a lot more reactionary what with amputating thieves and such like, I'm suprised it appeals to such a cool, funky progressive as your good self :joint

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    Post Re: Mosque to be Built in Ljubljana

    mainly consisting of Bosnian Muslims, who came to work in Slovenia in the times of Yugoslavia
    Are these guys citizens..or "guest" workers? If they are guest workers why do they not go back home...I know, silly question. :anieyes It is today's Europe.
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