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    Post Gengis Kahn is to blame for Russian drunks

    Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks
    01/31/2004 13:08

    http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/...lcoholism.html

    Scientists claim that almost half of the Russian population inherited Mongol genes

    In search of a revolutionary drug to cure alcoholism and hang-over, scientists were able to establish direct genetic correlation between traditional weakness of the Russians for the alcoholic beverages and the invasion of the Tatar hordes of Chingiz khan on the Russian territory, writes one of the journalists of The Times Jeremy Page.

    Scientists claim that almost half of the Russian population inherited Mongol genes consequently causing more alcohol to be absorbed by blood. Russians also require more time to fully digest alcohol than Europeans for instance. This means that Russians drink more heavily, suffer from severe hang-over and are overall more susceptible to become alcohol dependent, especially taking into account Russian love for vodka, tough climate and social-economic chaos in the country since the collapse of the USSR.

    "The difference is tremendous-it can be noticed from one's reactions, shaking hands, and so on," stated Vladimir Nuzhny from the National Narcological Research Center of the Ministry of Health. "On average, 50% of people in Moscow possess such Mongol gene. We assume that this particular gene is to blame," said Nuzhny.

    In the course of the research, scientists paid 12 students-volunteers to consume 350 grams of vodka in an hour. Their behavior was closely monitored.

    "Based on the Western standards, 350 grams of vodka is a lot. In Russia however this is a norm," informed doctor Nuzhny The Times. "At first, the students thought everything was fine: they were getting paid for drinking! Afterwards, however, they realized they had been mistaken."

    While being intoxicated, each one of the students had to complete certain tests. They included answering questions, driving in video games. They were also asked to blow in special tubes in order to measure their level of alcohol. Scientists even paid close attention at how fast the students were standing up from their seats.

    After some rest, the students were given breakfast and had to undergo another set of tests in order to measure their hang-over. It turned out that those students with Mongol genes absorbed 50% more alcohol and digested it significantly slower than the rest of the students.

    "They tend to experience a different sensation while being intoxicated. They are more susceptible to aggressions or depressions," remarked Nuzhny. "They do not necessarily resemble Mongol facial features. However, they do have this Mongol gene."
    Mongols traveled through Asia and Russia and afterwards invaded Europe in XII century. They ruled Russia for nearly 300 years. Interracial marriages were quite common between Mongols and people of other nations.

    Scientists already knew that people of Mongol descent including Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, possessed a ferment responsible for alcohol digestion which was not is not as strong as in Europeans.

    Doctor Nuzhny claims that he conducts the first research of alcohol effects specifically on Russians with Mongol genes. According to him, such phenomenon can be explained by evolution. Mongolian nomads, who knew alcohol only in the form of fermented horse milk, acquired an additional ferment in the course of evolution. Their genetic make up differed from Europeans, who used to consume rather strong alcoholic beverages made of grapes and wheat.

    The research indicates that Russians consume 15 liters of pure alcohol per person annually. This is one of the highest rates of alcohol consumption in the world. According to the research, every seventh Russian suffers from alcoholism. Alcohol is often regarded as being responsible for a relatively short lifespan (59).
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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Nordhammer, you forgot to emphasize one part, so I'll do it for you:

    ...12 students-volunteers...

    Such a large sample; the study results must be irrefutable. :eyes
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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by The Blond Beast
    Nordhammer, you forgot to emphasize one part, so I'll do it for you:

    ...12 students-volunteers...

    Such a large sample; the study results must be irrefutable. :eyes
    I agree with you. Even though they claim they're all "white" and not necessarily showing Mongoloid features, yet they possess Mongoloid ancestry which supposedly makes them more susceptible to alcoholism.

    The theory of Mongoloid ancestry making one more prone to alcoholism is more believable than 50% of Russians are mixed. I agree that a small sample of 12 is completely inadequate to make that claim.

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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    I agree with you. Even though they claim they're all "white" and not necessarily showing Mongoloid features, yet they possess Mongoloid ancestry which supposedly makes them more susceptible to alcoholism.

    The theory of Mongoloid ancestry making one more prone to alcoholism is more believable than 50% of Russians are mixed. I agree that a small sample of 12 is completely inadequate to make that claim.
    I wonder how they recruited their volunteers. Maybe, "Hey, who wants free drinks!?"

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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    I'd love to see the photos of their 12 volunteers, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was a token Nigerian or something.

    There is no point in posting those maps. THe map is of the full extent of the Mongol empire, that full extent didn't last even a full decade. They also added to the map not just the conquered teritories, but also the vassal states. Novgorod wasn't conquered, but was a vassal kingdom .

    For example, you could easily make a false statement like "ALL EUROPEANS HAVE GERMAN DNA" and post a map of 1942. Europe that 'supports' your theory. You could fool many people with such a statement, but, in reality, Germany lost all these teritories within 2 years, and they never made a genetic impact on the population.

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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Scientists claim that almost half of the Russian population inherited Mongol genes consequently causing more alcohol to be absorbed by blood. Russians also require more time to fully digest alcohol than Europeans for instance. This means that Russians drink more heavily, suffer from severe hang-over and are overall more susceptible to become alcohol dependent, especially taking into account Russian love for vodka, tough climate and social-economic chaos in the country since the collapse of the USSR.
    Apart from the fact that they used just 12 students for this 'research', they also aren't very clear whether the 'mongol gene' is present in 50% of Mosowians, or 50% of all Russians ( and certainly not very clear whether these are ethnic Russians, or other ethnicities with the Russian passport, if I remember correctly, ethnic Russians make a little over 60% of inhabitants of Russia. Also, Moscow is certainly not an ordinary sample of Russia.

    "The difference is tremendous-it can be noticed from one's reactions, shaking hands, and so on," stated Vladimir Nuzhny from the National Narcological Research Center of the Ministry of Health. "On average, 50% of people in Moscow possess such Mongol gene. We assume that this particular gene is to blame," said Nuzhny.
    They're not certain if this 'gene' found in 6 students is to blame.

    In the course of the research, scientists paid 12 students-volunteers to consume 350 grams of vodka in an hour. Their behavior was closely monitored.
    Twelve!!!


    Mongols traveled through Asia and Russia and afterwards invaded Europe in XII century. They ruled Russia for nearly 300 years.
    This is a misinformation. Parts of Russia were never under Mongol rule, and there were significant parts that were vassals to Mongol khans.
    Vassals were forced to pay tributes to Mongols, to send their armies as support for Mongols, but weren't under direct mongol rule.

    Interracial marriages were quite common between Mongols and people of other nations.
    Most of the Mongol forces in that area weren't even Mongols, but rather allied Nomad tribes of various indigenous ethnicities, from Turkic and Finno-Ugric to Slavic and other Indo-European tribes.

    It's not very clear if interracial marriages were common in ALL parts of this huge empire. What was common practise in Qara-Khitai, wasn't necessarily common practise in Russia.


    Doctor Nuzhny claims that he conducts the first research of alcohol effects specifically on Russians with Mongol genes. According to him, such phenomenon can be explained by evolution. Mongolian nomads, who knew alcohol only in the form of fermented horse milk, acquired an additional ferment in the course of evolution. Their genetic make up differed from Europeans, who used to consume rather strong alcoholic beverages made of grapes and wheat.
    Which Europeans made alcohol from grapes and wheat? Russia isn't exactly a vinyard like Italy or south France. Fermented mare milk was probably invented by Scythians and other Indo-European nomads, whose culture and inventions later passed on to Mongoloids.

    In addition, Russians have lived for millenia in a similar environment to what Mongols lived. The Aryan ancestors of Russians and other Slavs have been Nomads and horsemen long before Mongoloids ever knew what a horse is.

    Most of the inventions of horseback warfare first appeared in the steppes of Russia where the Cimmerians, Scythians and Sarmatians lived.

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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    It's not very clear if interracial marriages were common in ALL parts of this huge empire. What was common practise in Qara-Khitai, wasn't necessarily common practise in Russia.
    The Mongols were very exogamous, and so are the Russians. I would be very surprised if there was not a lot of interbreeding between Mongols and Russians...

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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The Mongols were very exogamous, and so are the Russians. I would be very surprised if there was not a lot of interbreeding between Mongols and Russians...
    Is there really so much shame in the possibility of carrying some small trace of blood from the great Khans?

    Plenty of rednecks here in the USA are proud to say they have a Cherokee great-great-grandmother. They're still considered white!
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    Post Re: Chingiz khan is to blame for Russian drunks

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The Mongols were very exogamous, and so are the Russians.
    Why would you say that?



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