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    Post There's a Christian Identity Pastor Quite Near Where I Live

    i think its a very odd religion especially since he claims he gets on with his black neighbours :eek

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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgal2k2
    i think its a very odd religion especially since he claims he gets on with his black neighbours :eek
    I've heard references to it on occasions, but I've no idea what it is or what it believes - other than it must be some kind of heretical congregation

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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    I've heard references to it on occasions, but I've no idea what it is or what it believes - other than it must be some kind of heretical congregation
    Its pretty scary stuff actually. They believe that they are a lost tribe of israel or something, and that they are the chosen people not the Jews.

    They also believe that black people are the beasts of the field and were created at the beginning of the world for the whites to rule over.

    Also some of them think (www.christianseparatist.org) that the 6th commandment wasn't actually against adultery but against race mixing. Some of them also (apparently) think that Hitler was the second messiah!

    They believe that Jews are the children of the devil, the literal children of the devil and that there will be an apocalypse where "God will give the earth to us, his chosen people" and kill all of the non-white races.

    They don't eat pork or mix milk and meat together, and they follow the Jewish calendar. Some of their services are actually in Hebrew...it's quite popular among a lot of white power skins even tho their actual every day teachings are similar to jews'...I once looked on a CI website and ther was all this crap about how "it has been scientifically proven that pork is bad for the body"...

    Not all of them follow these teachings about pork, but most of them do.
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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgal2k2
    Its pretty scary stuff actually. They believe that they are a lost tribe of israel or something, and that they are the chosen people not the Jews.
    Not any scarier than modern Judeo-Christianity really, which calls for the genocide of all races by mass miscegenation.

    Quote Originally Posted by gorgeousgal2k2
    Also some of them think (www.christianseparatist.org) that the 6th commandment wasn't actually against adultery but against race mixing.
    That has some basis, as to adulerate means to make impure with improper or inferior ingredients.

    CI had its start in Britain, so thank them.

    There's an entertaining CI hour called Yahweh's Truth on the Turner Radio Network Tues-Fri starting at 8pm, check it out - www.halturnershow.com
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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Yes as Nordhammer said Christian Identity started from Britian. It was an offshoot of British Israelism. British Israelism is basically the belief that the British are descended from the ancient Hebrews and a distinction is made between Anglo-Saxons and other Germans who are labeled as Assyrians by followers of British Israelism. British Israelism is mostly extinct except for appearing in the form Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God. His son Ted Armstrong used to appear on TV as a televangelist.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/wwcog.htm

    Christian Identity is an expansion of this concept to include the nations of Europe as being descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. Sure there's radical sects like Aryan Nations, but I think most Christian Identity types want to be left alone. I can't accept Christian Identity as I don't see how Hebrew can be related linguistically to Indo-European languages. Also from my own studies it seems the Aryan invaders of India and Europe were most like Kurgan's or Kurgan like culture.

    gorgeousgal2k2-
    They believe that Jews are the children of the devil, the literal children of the devil and that there will be an apocalypse where "God will give the earth to us, his chosen people" and kill all of the non-white races.
    Their genocidal views no doubt were taken from reading the Old Testament where ancient Israelites ran around murdering innocent women and children in the name of the Lord. The difference is I don't see CI types doing this, where we can see actual modern day Israeli’s engaging in this activity on a daily basis.
    Edit: spelling
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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    No any scarier than modern Judeo-Christianity really, which calls for the genocide of all races by mass miscegenation.

    Interesting, I've been a Christian all my life (except for a while when I cringingly became athiest). I've never heard of a call for race-mixing though. Can you provide a source to this?



    That has some basis, as to adulerate means to make impure with improper or inferior ingredients.
    CI had its start in Britain, so thank them.


    Ah, they sound like those British Israelite people.
    Bizarre people!

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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    Interesting, I've been a Christian all my life (except for a while when I cringingly became athiest).
    You were an athiest? Say it ain't so!

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    Hate to break the bad news, but mainstream (non "Judeo-Christian") Christianity believes itself to be the "Chosen", not the Jews who are "desolate." The old prophets predicted and Jesus confirmed that the covenant would be/had been broken and so a new covenant in the person of Jesus. This is old hat. Jesus' casting the defiant Jews as the seed of Satan was not whimsical, it was not temper tantrum, it was not polemic. He meant what He said (according to traditional Christianity).

    I'm no Christian, much less CI. But I was so raised. No Christian who knows his theology (there are not many) would call the Jews "the Chosen." PC religion aside - no Christian can ignore the resonance between prophecy and Jesus as Messiah. The position, the new covenant, has been fundamental and non-negotiable for two thousand years. Of course, a Presbyterian liberal can work wonders....

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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    Interesting, I've been a Christian all my life (except for a while when I cringingly became athiest). I've never heard of a call for race-mixing though. Can you provide a source to this?
    Here's an excerpt from one of Amren's articles http://www.amren.com/979issue/979issue.html:

    Billy Graham goes one further and says that the only solution to our race problem is for us to breed with non-whites until human differences disappear. He says we must take alien peoples into our hearts and our homes and, yes, “into our marriages.”

    With ministers preaching racial suicide, Christianity may now be more of a threat to our survival than liberalism. At least with liberalism, one recognizes the enemy. But when Christian leaders take liberal positions, they leave the flock defenseless. Ralph Reed and Billy Graham are our opponents, no less than Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.

    The Wall Street Journal recently ran a front page story titled “Racial Reconciliation Becomes a Priority For the Religious Right:”

    “[T]he most energetic element of society [today] addressing racial divisions may also seem the most unlikely: the religious right.
    “Across the country, conservative congregations and denominations, while sticking to other stringent principles of conservative religious thinking such as the proscription of homosexuality and abortion, are embracing a concept called ‘biblical racial reconciliation’ – a belief that as part of their efforts to please God, they are required by Scripture to work for racial harmony.”

    If even “the Christian right” has become part of the rout of traditional Christianity; it is because the New Testament opens the door to universalism. Oswald Spengler wrote that “Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism,” and indeed, ministers routinely preach the “social” gospel, invoking a universalism that differs little from the agenda of the radical left.

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    Post Re: there's a christian identity pastor quite near where i live

    Yes, as always the difference is between Traditional Christianity and Modern Christianity (which in fact has no right to be called Christianity at all).
    For if modern Christianity teaches things which are contrary to the consistent teaching of the Church, then it is heretical and no longer speaks with authority. The problem is that Liberalism has infected all mainstream religions. (and been calcualted to do so). The abomination at Fatima, where the world's religious leaders joined together for an interfaith prayer for peace was a shocking display of religious indifferentism and Syncretism.

    There can be no doubt that this was a blasphemous affair.
    It is wriiten that "he who prays with heretics, is a heretic".

    As such when relgious leaders preach something contrary to their faith, they are not speaking on behalf of their religion, but their own private opinions.

    Therefore when a Christain leader promotes a liberal agenda, he is preaching Liberalism, not Christianity.

    As for the Universiality of Christianity, it must be understood in terms of Spiritual Universiality. Pushkin posted a thread on the Christian doctrine of Nations which shows that Traditional Christianity is wholly compatible with our goals of preservation.

    Because Liberal leaders have usurped the name of Christianity, does not mean that they preach it. As for Bolshevism being the logical consequence of Christianity, I doubt that. I'm not sure that an athiestic, materialistic philosophy could arise from a religious, spiritual one. Christianity tended not to fair too well under Communist governments.

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