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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerled
    The bad guy Elijah (Samuel L. Jackson) points out an physical description of the universal evil person:

    - Strong pointy chin
    - Large head, compared to the body.
    - Sharp nose
    - Large crania
    Yes, and the description of the comic book hero sounds like a UP/Nordic.

    Agrippa's pic looks Noric to me.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Its interesting that throughout most of European cultural history both angels and devils were usually pronounced progressive Leptomorphics. Thats stereotypical, but its not that false even, since only those with a certain psychic condition (rather schizothymic) are the true idealists and asketics on the one hand or those which will pursue a goal with a ruthless mind and will.
    Oftentimes its about small differences whether they turn out to be the most idealistic and heroic characters or the "bad", cruel or intrigant ones with just personal-egoistic goals. Both details of the personality and socialisation play in.

    Just imagine a fat, round faced ascetic idealist ready to sacrifice his life. Sure, that exists, but both in classic images and modern popculture it would be somehow "less realistic" because the stereotype is something different - and this stereotype doesnt come from nowhere, its an archetypical recognition of certain features. And depending on what someone is himself and which experiences he had with "the fanatics" (Leptosomics with progressive craniofacial characteristics), he might see them more positive or negative. Obviously if the features are still rather harmonious or already one sided, extreme, disharmonious is of some importance too whether the progressive traits are still seen rather prositive or negative. Michael Schumachers chin f.e. could be called progressive but is already somewhat too extreme probably, out of proportions.
    In the American popculture is rather the simple minded Mr. Average the hero at least since the 60s-70s, not the aristocratic warrior and thinker obviously, that plays in too.

    The difference is also clear if comparing the spiritual-idealistic and at the same time cruel-heroic medieval times and the associated Gothic Art on the one hand and the more decadent, partly degenerated, very rich, luxurious and "fun loving" time of the glutted Baroque Art on the other hand, which was stronger in certain regions too...
    Wrote about body type and stereotypical ideals and their context here:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8778

    Especially in certain cultural contexts a downturned nose of a progressive Leptosomic alone can mark the difference if someone "looks sinister" or just "strong minded" ("hawkish") in a stereotypical sense.

    And the aversion of popculture against refined aristocratic looking individuals is obvious, they usually get rather the "bad roles".

    I might just mention the movie "Harry Potter". Both the evil student and his father have blond hairs and progressive features, are arrogant, unfriendly, sinister and schemers, but at the same time strong, intelligent, strong-minded whereas the "naive hero" which sympathises with "the suppressed" looks "rather harmless".
    Same with someone like Christopher Lee who is very progressive, partly even a real descendent of the European aristocracy and played "bad characters" like in the Lord of the Rings. And again the intelligent-strong minded heros and bad characters are both progressive and rather Leptosomic - because only that makes them more interesting looking and "authentic" for the audience.

    John Candy was a great character to watch, very funny, I like his movies, but just imagine him as Aragorn

    And I think we dont just deal with "prejudices" or "cultural categories", but human archetypes because we ascribe similar characters to animals to some degree as well (f.e. "the camel is arrogant" (-line of lips and nose make it looking down to us-...). At the same time a "hawkish" profile represents "strong mindedness" even in birds. But because we see different types which were bred on the long run in a specific direction in humans, though its a stereotype, there is a real correlation.

    American hero stereotype, "Superman", progressive but "muscles first Sir", thinking afterwards and not feeling superior, though being it (rule of "equality" - even if the inequality is obvious, no aristocratic moral):


    Main difference to the "good guy" is the madness of expression and exaggerated, already disharmonious features (nose and chin too strong) in Joker - who happens to be strong-minded and rather intelligent, leading, too though:


    In fact Comics can be a nice source for stereotypical ascriptions since they are not as politically correct and can exaggerate forms in an unnatural way. Even some totally foreign looking monsters have finally in Comics and movies quite often certain "human characteristics". Like round, fat, puffy, paedomorphic = friendly but rather weak alien, evil = angular, long extremities, narrow body, or good heros = harmonious-refined, angel-like aliens. As I said, such ascriptions are general human characteristics of archetypical character.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Especially in certain cultural contexts a downturned nose of a progressive Leptosomic alone can mark the difference if someone "looks sinister" or just "strong minded" ("hawkish") in a stereotypical sense.
    Just made a thread dealing with it, look at Lee van Cleef. http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...071#post353071

    Tall, athletic, but very sharp featured.

    In movies he ussually is a strong (cold) calculated person, with a strong will.
    Isn't always an sinister character, sometimes because of the same features he is the hero.

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    Though other types can come close as can many mixtures, I agree, as a type for itself, on average, the Corded Eastnordid type comes closest and is a racial peak with a very high accumulation of progressive traits.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    That pic of Superman you posted looks Brunn especially with the cleft chin. The Samuel Jackson character in "Unbreakable" also went into detail about the difference between bad guy types, ie. the evil mastermind type as described above and the brutal thug type.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    I see the mask used in the film "Batman Begins" as being archetypal of Europoids:













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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    The profile reminds me of Basil Rathbone (my favourite actor) Most famous as the supra-intelligent Sherlock Holmes, though the quintessential villain in such roles as Sir Guy of Gisborne, Judas, Pirate Lord Levasseur...









    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    I tried to exaggerate some of the most important progressive traits in a profile sketch, could have made the chin more positive though. Which prehistoric or modern racial type comes closest? How would you identify it?

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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch





    Was somewhat difficult comparing the profiles with the one you have given.. alas, I thought I give it a try.

    As I mention, this is merely based on the profile pics.

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    Pointy chin and convex nose? Not my idea of the ideal type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Pointy chin and convex nose? Not my idea of the ideal type.

    The nose could be straight or wavy too, though a slight convexity (nothing out of proportions) is definitely progressive. This is "A", will make more probably, to show a certain variation. And the development of progressive craniofacial features - from the most primitive to the most progressive to make the point clear.

    You might know my threads on Skadi+Stirpes about progressive racial features already. As for the pointy chin, thats the epitome of progressiveness together with balanced retrognathy. Just compare with this Australid children (old sapiens stratum, primitive traits) and you will find the opposite:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=44730

    Comparison of progressive craniofacial and body types with primitive and infantile ones:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=44712
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