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    Other than being more healthy, having a larger brain and more paedomorphy, I don't see how having specific facial features matter. For instance, how is having an upturned nose worse than having a convex nose? What relevance does it have other than just physical preference?

    Didn't you say before that kinky Negroid hair is progressive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Other than being more healthy, having a larger brain and more paedomorphy, I don't see how having specific facial features matter. For instance, how is having an upturned nose worse than having a convex nose? What relevance does it have other than just physical preference?
    I spoke about nasal shape here:
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8737

    And especially in this thread on Skadi:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=43261

    There are basically two aspects why a certain nasal shape can be advantageous:
    A) Direct: A certain nasal shape is for a specific environment or in general more efficient if looking at the functional aspect of the nasal apparatus.
    B) Indirect: A certain nasal shape is usually correlated with other, progressive-advantageous traits on the head and body.

    Both is the case in a positive way for noses which are: High rooted, high bridged, prominent, longer, narrow, straight to convex - obviously if in proportion seen really positive, every extreme can be problematic.

    Both is the case in a negative way and primitive if looking at the opposite:
    Low rooted, low bridged, flat, short, broad, concave.


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    Didn't you say before that kinky Negroid hair is progressive?
    No. Kinky hair is probably a new trait, but one which is just advantageous in a very specific context - therefore region-specific, not generalist (= progressive) specialisation and with strong disadvantages in all other then the specific environment.

    Thread on Stirpes about the comparison of primitive, infantile and progressive types-trait-combinations, both craniofacial and body characteristics:
    http://forum.stirpes.net/showthread....9310#post69310
    Same thread but so far without the European examples for all three tendencies here:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...961#post352961

    Furthermore I should add that all types can have traits which could be interpretated as being this or that way. Its the whole picture, the general impression if looking at the type which matters, what dominates finally. F.e. (hypothetical numbers) 10 progressive, 4 infantile, 2 primitive traits = progressive.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    I see the mask used in the film "Batman Begins" as being archetypal of Europoids
    The ears are indeed quite ultraprogressive.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Obviously, the occiput is significantly lacking, and the forehead slope is slightly off, but look at how well the nose, mouth, chin fits into the profile.

    Peter Boyle:


    http://www.nndb.com/people/700/00002...oyle-sized.jpg
    http://wwwimage.cbs.com/specials/mas..._bio_boyle.jpg
    http://www.terra.com/addon/img/ocio/...ter-boylep.jpg
    http://peterboyle_x.tripod.com/pbpix/autograph.jpg
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    Indeed, his headshape makes him look odd, his facial features for themselves are rather progressive - generally he is mostly Dinarid in my opinion and quite progressive though his head shape could be more balanced-harmonious obviously.
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    Re: Classify an "Ultraprogressive" Profile Sketch

    How about this guy? I couldn't find a good profile pic where he wasn't yelling or something else, so I couldn't overlap the sketch above onto it.

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    My profile



    Yeah yeah, highly scientific. But do you think I have a Corded profile?
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    Going after that nose, jaw and chin look less pronounced, but otherwise yes.
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    Korded almost to the Kore?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Going after that nose, jaw and chin look less pronounced, but otherwise yes.
    Oops, I forgot to draw the jaw line, but I can tell it goes somewhat lower than mr. Progressive's jaw line. My neck's position is like that because I was bending down (the camera was set too low).
    My chin is a bit retreating, there's a Dinarid strain in my family. (Luckily I have a decent beard growth. ) And my nose looks like a Nordid/Noric nose left unfinished.
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    A sloping forehead is progressive? I thought rather a nearly vertical forehead was progressive. :

    I have a few progressive traits, such as robust bone structure, a jutting bottom chin bone, you don't see it much on pictures, and its not to the extent of the man in the drawing, but it does, and the bone itself is clefted too. I am dolicocephalic (CI =74) and leptorrhine (59), and my forehead slopes just like on the sketch. My nose used to be perfectly straight, but as I aged over the last 5 years or so the tip has sunk slightly, or the bone has grown some, and my nose is now ever so slightly convex, there is a slight bump on the bridge. Does that make me progressive?

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