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    The norse Gods were more likely personified heros or events of the far past, And I mean far. And they will occasionally come back and help you with something if you call.

    I think that the ideal nordic is spiritual, no matter the religion he/she embraces. Even if the deity you worship does not exist, there are many important teachings to heed to. :annoysigr
    Atheism and materialism are beliefs and traits of our opposing forces, Mongrels, Jews etc...
    The final war in this cycle will be fought between spiritualists(there is spirit in the universe) and materialists(there is nothing but matter in the universe).
    Heck, in a less significant way, WWII was such a war.

    As for me personally, I worship black holes.

    On another note... Not too long ago I was told in a dream that Loki(the God mind you, not the admin) somehow made a huge cosmic blunder and ended up killing all the other Gods indirectly, thus leaving humanity unguarded, and it is up to him now to come to Earth to correct his mistake and save humanity, reversing its devolutionary direction...
    The third shall be the final and decisive one.

    He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, is a fool - shun him.
    He who knows not, and knows that he knows not, is a child - teach him.
    He who knows, and knows not that he knows, is asleep - wake him.
    He who knows, and knows that he knows, is wise - follow him.

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    Worlds die, suns burn out, universes shrink and constellations grow cold and distant. In the realm of gods these things are nanoseconds in eternity.

    Worlds return. Suns are born. Life arrives like sperm frozen with starstuff in comet’s tails. World’s are penetrated and fertilized by shards of cosmic ice that melt to make living tissue and the evolution of beings. Gods preside. Gods conceal themselves from beings become wise and egotistical and adventurous. Gods wait. Gods whisper to their emissaries. Religions bloom and die. Blood flows. Destruction looms. Beings despair. Death becomes the great destroyer, the ultimate god. Doubt takes its place. The microscope is employed to find gods. They cannot be discovered. They do not respond to litmus tests or magnification, to x-rays or bombs. Beings declare that gods are dead or unreal. Beings decide to go it alone. Gods grant them this liberty. Beings stride out into the world, armed with test tubes, chemicals and measuring equipment. The world is charted and surveyed, explored, analysed and colonized. The findings are debated, synthesized, quantified, objectified, purified, mortified, transmogrified, deified, fortified, and categorized. The gods are declared unnecessary. Man becomes the great creator and the ultimate god. He builds for himself many citadels and worships his victory over gods by celebrating his domination over every living creature in his world.

    Man grows lonely. Man tries to use sex as the ultimate weapon against his alienation from gods. Gods pay him back for this abuse by sending fatal diseases wrapped up in pretty parcels to the many brothels in the mind of man. Man becomes terrified. As millions die man doubts his own power as a creative force. Man decides he must be a destructive force instead. A bad god. An evil impostor. The real god is nature. Nature is enshrined and worshipped as a great leveller. Man does not realise just how right he is and under his guidance nature levels everything to a common denominator and man is this denominator and becomes the root of all conundrums and the answer to all questions and the be all and end all of the world. Man believes that nature has led him to a grand revelation. The proper study of the world is man. Man had ignored the wisdom of Alexander Pope who said the proper study of mankind was man. What did Alexander Pope know? He lived in the Age of Reason and that had been declared unreasonable long ago and consigned to the vaults of human folly. An age in name only. Away with it and its ideology of the chain of being that ran all the way from god to beetles and back again. Man needed something more than chains and ages to satisfy his craving for self knowledge and power.

    Man invents a community of souls and calls it socialism. Nature is rejected in favour of this new god. Nature is yesterday’s news. Today’s news is about social relevance and social contracts and laws and wars and whores. Society is everything. Nature is nothing. Obey your new god. With all this social contracting and expanding sex returns as a viable prospect for livening up the new religion. It is ensconced in the citadel and redeified with an apology. Sex responds by rampaging through the world and calling up a few of its former accomplices from the world of nasty diseases. A veritable orgy of global proportions takes place which engenders a new plague. Man ignores it and when millions start dropping dead he accords it high status and asks his acolytes to worship it as a kind of demi-god. Sort of second in command to the great socialist god, only not as holy. To be afflicted with this particular illness means that you have shown loyalty to man beyond the bounds of duty and will die a hero’s death and be remembered forever in the annals of socialist history as a very very good person and a warrior for the greater cause of humankind and its god, which is to stay away from anything that might make you think that maybe nature shouldn’t have been thrown out so hastily.

    Humans grow restive and terrified and need comfort in their travail. Nature is restored as a servant of socialism. Man’s pantheon begins to take on polytheistic proportions. To avert disaster and keep society’s mind on what really matters man invents a new name for the whole shebang and calls it Multiculturalism. An edict is announced and circulars are sent out to all previously devoted servants of the old system. There is now a new system in operation. “You will obey this one. It has a name and a nature and a number. You will be its new priests and priestesses. Your effort will be rewarded with great big gobs of cash. If you don’t obey this edict you will be arrested and humiliated before your peers. If that doesn’t work you will be deprived of your employment by a visible ethnic minority. If that doesn’t move you to contrition, you will be sent to a large building in the middle of the Multiculti and there you will be tried for treason and placed into a prison of the high priest’s discerning. The key will be thrown away and you will not be asked to plead until you have died of stress induced heart failure or a convenient stroke and then your case will be dismissed but your memory will be allowed to live on into folk memory as an example of what not to do and who not to be.”

    The edict works like a charm. In fact the edict is a charm. Man declares himself a magician. He elects a grand wizard from among his political cohorts and forms a world government. Certain elements of the human horde take offence and begin a bombing spree. They have since invented a god of their own to rival the god of socialism and are pitting the power of their deity against the power of the god of the Multiculti. A bun fight ensues with people taking sides and organising protests that never get anywhere and uttering threats that have no substance. The bombs go off at regular intervals but the system is so well entrenched that not even an upstart deity can ruffle its feathers or stop it from smiling idiotically but with sinister determination. Man re-invents a new ploy to win over the rival group. Man introduces mass immigration into his global community from places where the holy power has not yet penetrated and offers new acolytes great big gobs of cash or the promise of welfare benefits and employment to enter and celebrate diversity with the gods of Socialism and Debauchery. Then he gives to another minor deity greatly improved powers and ensconces Media as a helpmate and servant to Socialism and Debauchery.

    Nature, in the wings, weeps with frustration, helpless without deific power and so condemned to act in the only way she knows how to save the world from man and his confounded religions, his obsessions with his gonads and his sheer lack of common sense. In desperation and in response to her instincts, Nature calls on the old gods.

    Across the universe, in their halls of gold the gods are watching the spectacle of the cosmos, their ears tuned for the sound of Giallarhorn. Nature visits the winds and asks that they blow hard over the wastelands among the withered roots of Yggdrasil to reveal Heimdall’s buried treasure. The winds are only too eager to help and create a veritable medley of hurricanes to unearth the long silent trumpet of the long departed Watchman of the Rainbow Bridge.

    As man is about to give the final flourish to a document that will condemn his species forever to bondage and madness in a world beset by pestilence and need, by power and greed and by an overarching hunger that has no ending, a strange unfamiliar sound is heard seemingly from far away. The hordes of dead-eyed acolytes stop in their tracks and listen. The sound seems like a call, then like music and then like a drum. Humanity is stricken with longing. Socialism, Debauchery and Media tremble with dread. They recognise only too well this sound. They quickly issue declarations to the leaders of the Divine Commune and begin to negate rumours of an earthquake and tsunami rolled into one that have begun to circulate all the way from Delling’s Hall to Billing’s Hall.

    “Stay calm”, the authorities command. “We will fix everything.” More edicts go out, more instructions follow. The sound increases. The world waits.

    In the heart of Asgard, in the halls of the Einheriar, the holy warriors turn from their tasks and look to the west. On the skyline Heimdall is standing, the shining one, the White God, his horse’s main streaming golden on the cosmic wind. The horn is speaking. Its voice proclaims “It is time.”

    From the fields of Asgard the horses come galloping. Each with a mane as bright and fiery as the mane of Gulltop. The Einheriar have put on their armour, their blades and their helms of steel. Odin is wearing the golden helmet of Ragnarok. The warriors leap on the galloping horses and rush like a tide from the gates of Asgard as the Milky Way opens the star road and the warriors thunder out of mythology and into the imaginations of the people who stand transfixed at the sound of Giallarhorn.

    Officials splutter and rush around, issuing more edicts and proposals, legislating and pontificating, and here and there shouting “off with his head”, but the sound of the approaching warriors is deafening. The Rainbow Road rises in an arch across the worlds, clasps the steely road of the Milky Way and Odin leaps the gap on the back of Sleipnir. The space between us and our true gods is breached and the warriors of legend meet their descendents as Yggdrasil heaves its mighty roots from the grave and spreads its canopy once more over the wells.

    The rest will be history.

    Do the gods exist? Do we exist? Yes? Then our gods exist. And as long as we exist and are aware of our existence we shall know and be aware of our gods. As long as every race exists and is aware of its existence that race shall know its own gods. And whenever any group is threatened by the attempt of man to become his own creator or make of nature what she was never meant to be, these gods will ride out of every kind of hall and hunting ground, and every blessed isle and with their hosts of warriors will they reclaim their people from that which seeks to destroy them and the world that was once given to them by nature and in which and through which they first found and got to know their own gods.

    When Heathens today ask you to join them, they are asking only one simple thing. They are inviting you to come home.

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    Hi!

    You may as well consider them archetypes. But archetypes ar not nescessary any less alive than humans. A human life laste for maybe 100 years, and archetypic entity may live thousands of years, depeneing on how it is nurtured.

    Jehova started his career as a lesser sumerian war demon, and has through a few milleniums been promoted to an omnipotent figure. For those that wishes to believe in him.
    And that is the point. We believe in gods. BE LIVE, also through adoration and sacrifice we creates life to *supernaturals.

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    I'm not sure because I'm a Catholic and I do believe in God, the Virgin Mary, and Jesus. My paternal relatives are Catholics (except my sister-she's an athesist), also. But, I'm open-minded about things.

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    I'm not sure because I'm a Catholic and I do believe in God, the Virgin Mary, and Jesus. My paternal relatives are Catholics (except my sister-she's an athesist), also. But, I'm open-minded about things.
    Just don't be too open-minded!

    I have come to a conclusion: the child is most gullible of us all, believing in everything he is told, imagining a world of make-believe. We move beyond this primitive mentality, we become scientists, we become teenagers; we lose our ability to imagine, and with it, our innocence. Few of us mature past the teenage years, it would seem, for beyond this iconoclasm, this acting out, this skepticism, there is something more: sophism, nihilism, absurdity, pure and true. I believe in nothing! Belief is none of my concern. Rather: understand! Rather: imagine without faith in our images! Make without believing!
    Come, now, skeptics, it is time to grow up: let us try to rediscover innocence!
    Out of life's school of war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd
    First of all, declare me an insane part of the Germanic people if you will, but I have talked to some other heathens who said they have had some similar experiences where they felt as though there was some power of divinity close by on certain occasions. Some stronger, some weaker. Some not at all.

    Well, I'll put it in short terms. As I've just realised that I've posted a lot of them on Odinist.com, but all over that place

    I'll put it into single and frequent examples. I will include the folk-related ones as well as the divine ones in as it is kind of connected.

    Single examples:
    1. My first "vision". I saw an "old man" on a mount with for my taste having "too many legs" while I was peering into the sun some day on a hill.
    2. My ancestors & Old Norse, ec. Had a dream, people waved from the shore, someone shouted to the seamen something like Ark ok Friđr (which I later found out to have been an actually Old Norse greating). View switched to ship. My ancestors were on, every single one of them, even ones I had never met or seen, and when I checked with old pictures there was perfect resemblance. The mast was also rune inscribed.
    3. Another dream. It featured an old language as well. A large tree also kept recurring (Yggdrasil, obviously). I was talking a language that seemed very old Germanic styled to me, in that one.
    4. Also, I once, upon clutching my Mjollnir close, felt Donar's power very close for some time. I ended up with having such an adrenaline rush that I had to run around the building for several times until I really calmed down.
    More frequent examples:
    1. I often have two ravens appear in front of my window, randomly, and they seat themselves. Everytime I look again, after I looked away, they are gone. (Ravens - In the middle of Aberdeen! I mean you would expect seagulls, but, well...)
    2. I can when I don't use runes "properly" draw on some runes to see some meaning in them. On some occasions, I can let my mind go, and it will focus on a Rune, and may tell me its meaning, at least for the season, or for a purpose, or whatever...
      • -Jera kept on returning when it was Harvest time (one of the rune's meanings).
      • -When Ođal came to me some times, I would have a kind of "map" appear of Germanic lands, and it would often stop around the area of (ancient) Thuringia, or such. Since 1)Germanic Thuringian heathens were known to have had wavy hair in many circumstances. And, indeed, almost everyone in my family, even my grandfather, whose haircolour is (well was before it went white ) a very light blonde, has natural wavey hair. The whole thing is from two sides. Plus my surname coming from Old High German. Plus some of my not so unrecent ancestors were from like middle Germany. Very likely as to the middle to east nowadays germany being my "true" fatherland, as such.
    3. I can often be found staring into the distance, praising Mother Jorth as in such. Whenever I feel close to nature, I also feel some closeness to my ancestral gods.

    And all those experiences...
    I have ravens that spy on me too. They always fly away when I look at them. There are two, but they come one at a time though.

    I too have wavy hair, like my father, although it is reddish and not blond.

    I have also had dreams about the large tree, and finding the well of mimir.

    A few years ago I was wishing desperately for a child, and I asked (over a time period of about a week) Odin if he would give me a child I would spread the word about him. Well one night he came to me in a dream with Thor by his side, and said "I will give you a son and you shall name him Ve." Three months later I was united with my husband who had been deported back to Germany, and told my husband about the dream. He made me take birth control but I still got pregnant when it didn't work for 2 years before, without using anything. Then I dreamed that I had the most beautiful blond twins, and I knew my son would be born under Gemini, sign of the twins. He was born on the last day of Gemini, at 10 PM. You couldn't cut it much closer!

    I also believe in reincarnation because I have had quite a few dreams about my past lives. When normally I dream about things I do in every day life, or getting into physical fights and I always have my "this life" persona too. But these dreams it's me but I'm someone else living in a past time. They most often occur when I'm facing a problem that I have to try to decide. I think this is past life wisdom guiding me still in this life.

    Well of course the gods exist!

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    I wonder then if these gods of the Northmen, if they exist, are even concerned at all with the folk's welfare. My guess is they are not in the slightest. Either that, or they are powerless.
    If the gods always did things for us, they really would not be doing us any favors. We are to be a strong race. When anything else is really beyond our power any more they can and often do step in. Anyway, the gods have their reasons for what they do and don't do. When christianity was implemented, it is said that the gods were bound. But I can assure you that if they were ever bound, now they are free again.

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    If you're a Pagan or Heathen, you accept the existence of at least one spirit-realm. That is the basis of Paganism. This realm exists concurrently with our perceivable world but is immaterial. Our senses have evolved to filter out these other realms but through meditative and ceremonial rituals we are able to glimpse or even journey within these other realms. They are as real as our material realm and actually have a daily bearing on what happens here in our 'normal' world. When people talk of magic, it is a means of making the spiritworld affect our material world in one way or another.

    So with all that in mind, the gods are entities who exist within these spirit realms. You'll feel nothing more than their presence here in our world - if you know what you're looking for. To see them or communicate with them properly, you'll need to journey to the spirit realms that they inhabit.

    So yes, they exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    So with all that in mind, the gods are entities who exist within these spirit realms. You'll feel nothing more than their presence here in our world - if you know what you're looking for. To see them or communicate with them properly, you'll need to journey to the spirit realms that they inhabit.

    So yes, they exist.

    interesting that you bring this back... its a difficult subject for anyone!

    when you enter their realm, do you not leave behind the normal human voice of sceptical scrutiny? you open yourself to their world long before you really know them ....whoever they should turn out to be.

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    The whole revival of paganism in Europe began with Nouvelle Droite with Alain de Benoist* (or New Right, not to be mistaken with the American New right which is neo-conservatism) who were atheists and anti-religion. But since atheism was predominantly occupied by masonic views of either socialists or liberals they wanted a non-universal, ethnic variant, hence paganism. Nobody actually believed in those Gods riding the sky with a chariot and what not. Most were either agnostic or atheist.

    I'm a fan of de Benoist, but of course, as a Christian, I don't share his anti-christian views. Still, it explains how paganism isn't meant a actual belief but as a society model...

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    Alain de Benoist is a French academic, philosopher, a founder of the Nouvelle Droite (English: New Right) and head of the French think tank GRECE. He is little known outside his native France. Benoist bills himself as a critic of liberalism, free markets and egalitarianism.

    Alain de Benoist was born in Saint-Symphorien and attended the Sorbonne. He has studied law, philosophy, sociology, and the history of religions. He is an admirer of Europe and paganism.

    Benoist is the editor of two journals: Nouvelle Ecole ("New School") since 1968 and Krisis since 1988. His writings have appeared in Mankind Quarterly, The Scorpion, Tyr, Chronicles, and various newspapers such as Le Figaro. The New Left journal Telos has also published some of Benoist's work, which led to protests from some scholars on the editorial board. In 1978, he received the Grand Prix de l’Essai from the Académie Française for his book Vu de droite: Anthologie critique des idées contemporaines (Copernic, 1977). He has published more than 50 books, including On Being a Pagan (Ultra, 2005, ISBN 0-9720292-2-2).

    Core Views

    Alain de Benoist was previously associated with different right wing persons linked with the Algerian independence war. From being close to fascist French movements at the beginning of his writings in 1970, he moved to attacks on globalisation, unrestricted mass immigration and liberalism as being ultimately fatal to the existence of Europe through their divisiveness and internal faults. His influences include Antonio Gramsci, Ernst Jünger, Jean Baudrillard, Helmut Schelsky, Konrad Lorenz, and other intellectuals.

    Against the liberal melting-pot of the U.S., Benoist is in favour of separate civilisations and cultures. He also says he opposes Jean-Marie Le Pen, racism and anti-Semitism. He has opposed Arab immigration in France, while supporting ties with Islamic culture. He has also tried to distance himself from Adolf Hitler, Vichy France or Aryan supremacy, in favor of concepts like "ethnopluralism," in which organic, ethnic cultures and nations must live and develop in separation from one another. He also opposes Christianity as inherently intolerant, theocractic and bent on persecution.

    Benoist has made pointed criticism of the United States: "Better to wear the helmet of a Red Army soldier," he wrote in 1982, "than to live on a diet of hamburgers in Brooklyn." In 1991, he complained that European supporters of the first Gulf War were "collaborators of the American order."

    Benoist argues that heredity is dominant role in forming an intellectual elite. In addition, he says egalitarianism is destructive because it ruins the superior qualities and genetic aristocracy in the human race. Benoist argues that Europe must return to its pre-Christian roots and uses the Indo-European model, such as Nordic, Celtic, Greek and Roman civilisations, as an alternative to communism and capitalism. "We want to substitute faith for law, mythos for logos... will for pure reason, the image for the concept, and home for exile," he once wrote.

    Benoist has said he opposed racism and violence, saying he is building "a school of thought, not a political movement." He also said that "an intelligent racism, which has a sense of ethnicity, is less harmful than an intemperate, leveling, assimilating anti-racism," -- and violence-prone extremists used the quote as a slogan. While he has complained that nations like the United States suffer from "homogenization," due to multiracial industrialization, he has also distanced himself from some of Jean-Marie Le-Pen's views on immigration.


    His critics, such as Thomas Sheehan, argue that Benoist has developed a novel restatement of fascism. Roger Griffin, using an ideal type definition of fascism which includes "populist ultra-nationalism" and "palingenesis" (heroic rebirth), argues that the Nouvelle Droite draws on such "fascist" ideologues as Armin Mohler and Julius Evola in a way that allows Nouvelle Droite ideologues such as de Benoist to claim a "metapolitical" stance, but which nonetheless has residual "fascistic" ideological elements. Benoist's critics also claim his views recall Nazi attempts to replace German Christianity with its own paganism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    when you enter their realm, do you not leave behind the normal human voice of sceptical scrutiny? you open yourself to their world long before you really know them ....whoever they should turn out to be.
    Entering the other realms is above all a method of self-discovery. On my first spiritworld journey, I learnt more about myself than I could have imagined. I've not actually encountered the gods we all know. Perhaps I'm yet to, or perhaps the spirits I have encountered are those gods but with different names. I have one ally who very much resembles the classic depiction of Woden. I must endeavour to discover more about him.

    To believe in spirits at all, one must abandon normal human scepticism. That goes for ALL religions who believe in a 'God' (without exception) and spiritual traditions. Our sceptical scrutiny - human as it is - is the result of our Earthly, material existence. To see beyond the five senses, it is necessary to loosen one's familiar Earthly perspective on reality at least slightly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rozenstorm View Post
    Still, it explains how paganism isn't meant a actual belief but as a society model...
    That is, unless your Pagan belief isn't revivalist . Don't assume that Paganism is only practiced today because a few atheists thought it might be fun. Paganism has always, and will always be in our blood and in our soul.
    "If by being a racialist, you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man that believes one race is inherently superior to another in civilisation or capability of civilisation, then the answer is emphatically no." - Enoch Powell

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