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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Corded Sub-Type

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    However, the Nordid part is still dominant and there is nothing Mongoloid of any sort in her visible in the phenotype.
    No hard feelings, but isnt it shorter to admit you were wrong? Even if you really dont agree the type in question is the danubian, it is impossible to say she is "east nordic" if by that you mean a corded-like type.

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    AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Corded Sub-Type

    Quote Originally Posted by raboy View Post
    No hard feelings, but isnt it shorter to admit you were wrong? Even if you really dont agree the type in question is the danubian, it is impossible to say she is "east nordic" if by that you mean a corded-like type.
    She has Osteuropid admixtue, but do you want to deny a predominant Nordid component in her?



    Her body type is even typical, but I agree on her face having Osteuropid influences, especially if one compares her with Nicole Vaidisova and Elena Dementieva, both being more typical for the Eastern Nordid spectrum. After thinking about it, you are right, she has Osteuropid admixture, like I already suggested, but the Eastern Nordid component is still predominant and she has nothing Mongoloid.
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    Re: Corded Sub-Type

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    She has Osteuropid admixtue, but do you want to deny a predominant Nordid component in her?



    Her body type is even typical, but I agree on her face having Osteuropid influences, especially if one compares her with Nicole Vaidisova and Elena Dementieva, both being more typical for the Eastern Nordid spectrum. After thinking about it, you are right, she has Osteuropid admixture, like I already suggested, but the Eastern Nordid component is still predominant and she has nothing Mongoloid.
    Again if we take east nordic as its on the SNPA, I agree Dementieva is a textbook "east nordic", but Sharapova isnt. She doesnt have "osteuropid admixture" unless you consider the danubian type "osteuropid" (although the type in question here fits all Coon's descriptions of danubians), in that case it is not mere admixture, it is by far the predominant factor.
    As I said, she has semi mongoloid ladogan admixture, its very small, but it is there.
    In the picture on the right you posted it is clear on the region of the mouth and cheeks.
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    Danubian + Ladogan= neo danubian.

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    AW: Corded Sub-Type

    Well, there's nothing specifically "Danubian" about her, she is just Nordid with Baltid admixture. Baltid can include minor Lappoid influences, but in her case its definitely very low, one cannot speak of Eastbaltid admixture, for sure not Lappoid. And the pictures with her mimic being untypical are rather unusual for her. However, to pin it down: No good example for Eastnordid, but pred. Nordid with Baltid influences, no striking-visible Lappoid influences.
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    Re: AW: Corded Sub-Type

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Well, there's nothing specifically "Danubian" about her, she is just Nordid with Baltid admixture. Baltid can include minor Lappoid influences, but in her case its definitely very low, one cannot speak of Eastbaltid admixture, for sure not Lappoid. And the pictures with her mimic being untypical are rather unusual for her. However, to pin it down: No good example for Eastnordid, but pred. Nordid with Baltid influences, no striking-visible Lappoid influences.
    She is no typical nordic. Her zygomatics are rather pronounced and her face is not at all narrow. Then again, on Skadi, attractive/'progressive' = Nordic. Even brunette, brown eyed Brandon Routh is a nordic, apparently.

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    Re: AW: Corded Sub-Type

    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    She is no typical nordic. Her zygomatics are rather pronounced and her face is not at all narrow. Then again, on Skadi, attractive/'progressive' = Nordic. Even brunette, brown eyed Brandon Routh is a nordic, apparently.
    Brandon Routh is textbook Corded, he is not nordic for the same reason a danubian isnt nordic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    She has Osteuropid admixtue, but do you want to deny a predominant Nordid component in her?



    Her body type is even typical, but I agree on her face having Osteuropid influences, especially if one compares her with Nicole Vaidisova and Elena Dementieva, both being more typical for the Eastern Nordid spectrum. After thinking about it, you are right, she has Osteuropid admixture, like I already suggested, but the Eastern Nordid component is still predominant and she has nothing Mongoloid.
    Both Dementieva and sharapova had dyed hair blond,look at hair roots.
    I wouldn't classified them as Nordid.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Cordeds Nordoid or Mediterranoid status can be discussed, but the usual consensus is Nordoid, so at least rather in the Nordid spectrum than in any other. Furthermore this Danubian + Corded story of Coon is relatively uninteresting - the mixture happened with Cromagnoids, old Nordids from Scandinavia, Atlantomediterranids in the West and Pontids in the East.

    Guys I'm little confused , Agrippa according to you Corded like Hallstatt came from Mediteranoid types ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ar-Man-En View Post
    Guys I'm little confused , Agrippa according to you Corded like Hallstatt came from Mediteranoid types ?
    Obviously yes, since the earlier waves of humans were not depigmented and the mophological character of the Nordid is not that of a form adapted to the cold. So the typical trait combination marched up to Northern-Central-Eastern Europe and there they began to depigmentate and most likely mixed with local Cromagnoids and older, more archaic Aurignacoid strains.

    After some thousand years of selection, we got what we see now, the Nordid type proper.

    The open question remains, when did the bulk which began to develop Nordid characteristics enter the more Northern area. Where they very old Aurignacoid forms already and later Mediterranoids just strengthened the type, while the basic development already began - so this would mean a start among the Palaelolithic inhabitants.

    Or were this Aurignacoids during the last Age just a small minority and their spread in the warmer period was due to new leptodolichomorphs marching North?

    Did it start just with the Neolithic waves or were those Neolithics just a minor contribution, which was reshapen locally, in populations which were already Proto-Nordoid at least?

    So the question is not whether they had a connection to the Mediterranoids or whether their ancestors were darker, but WHEN did the bulk enter more Northern areas and began to develop the typical characteristics. What was more important, Aurignacoids from the Palaeolithic, from the Mesolithic, or Mediterranoids from the Neolithic times.

    Most likely all three components played their part, so its really about the "more important" question.
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