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    The thread is aimed at providing information concerning the wonder weapons developed by the Third Reich. I have found the following article (theage.com) about atom bombs.


    Hitler had bomb first claim


    Adolf Hitler had the atom bomb first but it was too primitive and ungainly for aerial deployment, according to a new book that indicates the race to split the atom was much closer than previously believed. Nazi scientists carried out tests of what would now be called a "dirty" nuclear device in the waning days of World War II, writes German historian Rainer Karlsch in the book, entitled Hitler's Bomb, which hits booksellers across Germany later this month.

    Concentration camp inmates were used as human guinea pigs and "several hundred" died horribly in the tests, which were conducted on the Baltic Sea island of Ruegen and at an inland test in wooded hill country about 100 km south of Berlin in 1944 and early 1945.Karlsch, 47, author of a number of books on Cold War espionage and the nuclear arms race, supports his findings on what his publishers call hitherto unpublished documents, scientific reports and blueprints.

    American historian Mark Walker, an internationally recognised expert on the Third Reich's atomic weapons program, lent his support to Karlsch's claims today. "I consider the arguments very convincing," Walker told Deutsche Presse-Agentur. However, Hitler's atomic weapon did not approach the devastating potential of the US bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, said Walker, a history professor at Union College in Schenectady, New York.

    Walker said the weapon secretly developed and tested by Nazi scientists was more comparable to a "dirty bomb" - nuclear material encased in explosives. Such a weapon, which causes little actual destruction but which disperses large amounts of deadly radiation, could only have been used on the front to throw back enemy troops, he added.

    Walker is the author of the 1990 book Nazi Science: Myth, Truth, and the German Atomic Bomb. The US historian praised Karlsch for writing "a whole new chapter" on Hitler's search for the "wonder weapon". In the final days of the war, Hitler insisted that his scientists were developing a "wonder weapon" that would allow him to wrest last- minute victory from the jaws of impending defeat.

    Hitler's claims have been dismissed as the rantings of a desperate and deranged man. But Karlsch's book lends credence to the possibility that Hitler may have been closer to getting his hands on his coveted "wonder weapon" than anyone has previously believed. Hitherto, it was known that German scientists had carried out heavy-water experiments in an attempt to split the atom, using research facilities in Norway and elsewhere.

    But it was widely believed that Nazi scientists had been hampered by a lack of pure-grade uranium, which was almost non-existent outside North America and Africa. It was also surmised that Hitler had favoured conventional weapons over nuclear arms because his limited grasp of strategic warfare prevented him from seeing the ramifications of nuclear capability. It was believed that Hitler had discouraged development of the atom bomb.

    But Karlsch claims to have been able to find documented proof of the existence of a nuclear reactor and nuclear weapons testing sites. His publishers, Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt (DVA), say his work is based on four years of painstaking research and interviews with independent historians.

    Among the most compelling pieces of evidence is a 1941 patent draft for a plutonium bomb, according to DVA spokesman Markus Desaga. "He also based his research on contemporary research reports, construction blueprints, aerial surveillance photos, notebooks of some of the scientists involved as well as espionage reports by US and Soviet agents," Desaga said.

    "He also based his findings on radiation measurements and soil analysis," the spokesman added. Karlsch, born in 1957, is a trained economics historian with a degree from Berlin's Humboldt University, where he holds a chair in economic history. He is also a member of the Berlin Historical Commission and teaches at Berlin's Free University. He has written numerous articles, essays and books, including Uranian Secrets in 2002 and The Oil Factor in 2003 about the history of German oil production.

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    The bomb tested at Ruegen Island was not a dirty bomb. There are actually witnesses to this test. I have a F.O.I.A. file describing a German witness who was in an airplane at the time (remember this is an American government document) It describes a huge flash and a mushroom cloud lasting for some time. A French document (I have the reference in French, Rollon), describes a test and a dummy town set up by the Germans for this purpose. Radioactivity was detected by the Americans there after the war.

    The best account of the Ruegen Island test is the one by Luigi Romersa. Romersa was Mussolini's personal, technical representative in Germany. Among other things, Romersa met Rudolf Schriever in Prague and was shown the Schriever flying saucer on the ground in a hanger.

    Romersa is still alive today. He published a detailed account of the atomic test---how? He was a witness and actually on the island (Ruegen is just north of Peenemuende). Romersa was in a block house near the site of the explosion. He describes the explosion and the aftermath. This was October, 1944. I have a translation from Italian to German of his testimony.

    Thomas Mehner, the German writer and researcher, says this explosion could have been another type of atomic device called a molecular bomb or M-bomb.

    After the war, Romersa attained a high position in Italy and is an extermely credible witness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    The bomb tested at Ruegen Island was not a dirty bomb. There are actually witnesses to this test. I have a F.O.I.A. file describing a German witness who was in an airplane at the time (remember this is an American government document) It describes a huge flash and a mushroom cloud lasting for some time. A French document (I have the reference in French, Rollon), describes a test and a dummy town set up by the Germans for this purpose. Radioactivity was detected by the Americans there after the war.

    The best account of the Ruegen Island test is the one by Luigi Romersa. Romersa was Mussolini's personal, technical representative in Germany. Among other things, Romersa met Rudolf Schriever in Prague and was shown the Schriever flying saucer on the ground in a hanger.

    Romersa is still alive today. He published a detailed account of the atomic test---how? He was a witness and actually on the island (Ruegen is just north of Peenemuende). Romersa was in a block house near the site of the explosion. He describes the explosion and the aftermath. This was October, 1944. I have a translation from Italian to German of his testimony.

    Thomas Mehner, the German writer and researcher, says this explosion could have been another type of atomic device called a molecular bomb or M-bomb.

    After the war, Romersa attained a high position in Italy and is an extermely credible witness.

    I would love to learn more, if its not too much trouble, could you show us the documentation you have described?

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    I can't scan them on and you will never find such things on the internet but I can give you the sources and perhaps you can locate them:

    Luige Romersa: Die "Geheimwaffen" von Hitler, etwas mehr als (nur) Phantasie
    (The Secret weapons of Hitler, somethinge more than (only) Phantasy), a translation of an article by the author in the magazine Defensa, Mumber 76-77, August-September 1984.

    "La Fussee Pilotee "T", magazine article Au Dela Du Ciel, Number 8, 16-31 juillet 1958, Sorry I don't read French but this article was tranlsated for me by a friend. This article also dealt with a delivery system called by some Germans The Hammer of Thor ("T").

    US Naval Intellegence Report, January 24, 1946, Top Secret, Bid Index Guide Nuo. 2302.0403, Serial number A42-TS-46, from "Comnavsu", originating in London, England. This describes a German witness to an atomic test during the war. The subject was airborn and the test took place just south of Ludwigslust, south of Luebock.

    There are three books I have read besides the new one mentioned, all in German language. There will be nothing in English for some time. They are:

    1. Die Atombombe und das Dritte Reich by edgar Mayer & Thomas Mehner.

    2. Atomziel New York by Friedrich Georg and Thomas Mehner

    3. Hitlers Siegeswaffen, Band 2 Teil B, by Friedrich Georg

    It is really impossible for me to repeat all of what is in these books. It takes them pages to build a case and if I suddenly blurt out the bottom line, it sounds crazy in view of what we have been told about history.

    My sources tell me that Luigi Romersa was interviewed recently by a British film maker, David Monaghn, or some spelling like this, which will appear in a BBC/Discovery presentation on German flying discs (Romersa saw one at Prague) but nothing about the atomic test.

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    HORTEN JETS















    These Horten planes were ready for large-scale production and opeation in 1945, but the Luftwaffe did not have time to implement the project.

    The technology used is unknown of for the period considered. Both Americans and Russians took over all the models, the plans and the staff. The Horten technology is present today in the most advanced crafts of the US Air Force.

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    Post Re: NS Wonder Weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollon




    These Horten planes were ready for large-scale production and opeation in 1945, but the Luftwaffe did not have time to implement the project.

    The technology used is unknown of for the period considered. Both Americans and Russians took over all the models, the plans and the staff. The Horten technology is present today in the most advanced crafts of the US Air Force.
    Looks amazingly similar to the Stealth Bomber!


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    Post Re: NS Wonder Weapons

    More about the Horten :

    http://www.warbirdforum.com/horten.htm

    The Horten was intended to carry the atom bomb (see previous posts) on the US.

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    The partially assembled aircraft is actually the Gotha 229 which was a Horton 9 which was to be produced at the Gotha Works in Thuringia. Two Horton 9 aircraft were made, one was a glider and the other the Horton 9 (v-2) flew under power. It flew very well without computer avionics. Its radar return was so low that the Horton 9 was scheducled to be painted with radar reflecting paint which had already been developed for U-boats.

    The one Horton 9 flying under power crashed upon landing because one of the two Junkers Jumo jets failed. The Americans never got a working example of either the Horton 9 or the Gotha 229 (the 229 did not have recessed air intakes). The Americans rated the performance of the Horton 9 at 540 mph at 52,000 feet celing.

    But, I have a FOIA report which somehow got by the censors. It is a SHAEF field report which would have gone into a CIOS report. In other words, it is raw data. The SHAEF team came upon the home of the Horton Brothers and found a "draftsman" inside. This was March 8, 1945, two months before the war in Europe ended and before the second (v-2) Horton crashed. This draftsman as the Americans call him, detailed all the Horton Aircraft in terms of perfromance, size, purpose, etc. Horton planes 1-12. He said the Horton 9 had a top speed of 1160 km/hr --this is 719 mile per hour! He correctly listed the speed of the Me 262 and Arado 234 at 900 and 800 km/hr respectively. The Americans went on with their questions, astounded at the Horton 9's speed and trying to poke holes in his testimony but they failed. Fortunately, they didn't ever have to deal with the truth since the aircraft in question crashed shortly thereafter.

    The comparison of the Horton 9 to the B-2 is fallacious. As pointed out, it is better compared to the F-117. The Horton 9 was faster than the F-117, had no vertical surfaces so was stealthier. Had two 37 mm cannons--the F-117 has nothing.

    There is another possilble development which the Germans were working on in terms of stealth but I can't go into that one yet--sorry.

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    What is the FOIA, Herr Doktor ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollon
    What is the FOIA, Herr Doktor ?
    Freedom Of Information Act

    Basically it allows U.S. citizens to demand non-classified documents from U.S. government sources.

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