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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanessa
    Only humans, and for some reason dolphins, have sex for pleasure. Sex for pleasure is therefore, part of being human (and the weird exception of dolphins LOL). Dogs may like to have sex, but they only do it when the female is "in heat". We do it "whenever". How could something that distinguishes us from the lower animals be degenerate? I thought being degenerate was being animalistic.
    You have things backwards. Having sex because it's pleasurable and for the sake of the pleasure alone is like saying I eat because food taste good.

    And humans do it "often" because we don't know when the window of opportunity is. A male dog can smell when a female dog is ready.

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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    And humans do it "often" because we don't know when the window of opportunity is. A male dog can smell when a female dog is ready.
    Yeah, we are more complex than that. Dogs also don't have oral sex or anal sex (you can't make babies doing those things, btw )
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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Biological and structural context defines sexual deviancy.

    Everything bad and not useful for the community is a deviancy.

    Just think of a group of 100 people living under as many as possible conditions and in as many as possible times and all have the same features and act the same.

    Would the behaviour be an advantage or disadvantage most of the time in human evolution and history?

    If its a clear disadvantage its a deviance like f.e. Homosexuality.
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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    I'd say that sex is a far too important and far-reaching human activity, so any broad decisions on what is deviant or forbidden is wrong. Sex must be evaluated, researched and thought about thoroughly before making ANY judgements or rules.

    You can't simply add a label 'deviant' to all sexual practices which are damaging.

    I think that anything which is not consentual is deviant in our modern society.
    I think that homosexuality is damaging for the society, if it's taken out of natural proportion. ( like today, thanks to media ).

    Sex isn't just for procreation, at least not with human beings.
    Sex isn't metaphysics.

    Sex, like anything, is best if it's done in a natural way, in moderation.

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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Sexual deviance: anything except monoracial, herterosexual, missionary position sexual intercourse for the purpose of breeding between a married couple.
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    Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marla

    So, what constitutes sexual deviancy?

    Is it practicing homosexuality? Promiscuity? Sadomasochism? Casual sex? Anal sex? Fetishism? Oral sex? Having sex at all?

    Or perhaps criminal behaviours, such as rape, pedophilia, beastiality, etc.
    If you do all of the above at the same time, it's deviant, but it's a guinness record

    BTW. @Cosmo, Marla is a character from FIGHT CLUB.

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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marla
    Only humans, and for some reason dolphins, have sex for pleasure. Sex for pleasure is therefore, part of being human (and the weird exception of dolphins LOL). Dogs may like to have sex, but they only do it when the female is "in heat". We do it "whenever". How could something that distinguishes us from the lower animals be degenerate? I thought being degenerate was being animalistic.
    Sex serves another function in human society: it forges human bonds, between sexual partners and also between parents and offspring.

    I think sex practices can be a good "litmus test" for where a society is in terms of how much people care about one another, or group cohesion (which is founded, naturally, on bounds of love).

    The reason for this is that sexual pleasure releases lots of oxytocin, the "cuddle chemical," into a person's body. So a person's capacity for sexual pleasure and passion (which causes a person to give sexual pleasure to another) can indicate their general level of love or affection for their fellow humans. In other words, a person that is loving and passionate in bed will probably also be loving and passionate with friends, work, and general attitude towards life.

    I also think that sexual attraction between two people is a good indicator of chemical/hormonal compatibility - and that this will be reflected in any relationship they have, be it sexual or not. So when two groups of people are sexually incompatible, it bespeaks a deep difference that will cause conflict.

    So in short: sex has a very strong social function.

    I'll also mention a relevant Nietzsche quote that comes to mind: "The degree and kind of a man's sexuality reach up into the ultimate pinnacle of his spirit."
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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    But those bonds can not be attained when sex is promiscious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    Sex serves another function in human society: it forges human bonds, between sexual partners and also between parents and offspring.

    I think sex practices can be a good "litmus test" for where a society is in terms of how much people care about one another, or group cohesion (which is founded, naturally, on bounds of love).

    The reason for this is that sexual pleasure releases lots of oxytocin, the "cuddle chemical," into a person's body. So a person's capacity for sexual pleasure and passion (which causes a person to give sexual pleasure to another) can indicate their general level of love or affection for their fellow humans. In other words, a person that is loving and passionate in bed will probably also be loving and passionate with friends, work, and general attitude towards life.

    I also think that sexual attraction between two people is a good indicator of chemical/hormonal compatibility - and that this will be reflected in any relationship they have, be it sexual or not. So when two groups of people are sexually incompatible, it bespeaks a deep difference that will cause conflict.

    So in short: sex has a very strong social function.

    I'll also mention a relevant Nietzsche quote that comes to mind: "The degree and kind of a man's sexuality reach up into the ultimate pinnacle of his spirit."

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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    So, scoob, you're basically saying that sluts are in fact only big on philanthropy ( joke )

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    Post Re: Sexual Deviancy: What is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    So, scoob, you're basically saying that sluts are in fact only big on philanthropy ( joke )
    To answer both you and cosmo: I'm not sure. I definitely see a correlation between people who are sexually passionate, and people who have intact families right now in the modern world.

    In the USA, think of Italians, Latin Americans, etc.

    I'm not sure about blacks. I've never had sex with one!

    I think promiscuity or fidelity might not be the issue so much as sexual passion, which I relate to oxytocin. I think high-oxytocin people, in general, are more loving/caring people in many aspects of their lives. Passionate sex can display and, maybe, foster this type of oxytocin. So can simple touch, etc. These simple physical things create and foster deep social bonds that have subtle but extensive effects on behavior.
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