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    The Janjevci: Descendants of Saxons in Serbia

    There still are people who are direct descendants of Saxon miners who came to work in Serbia ( as gastarbeiters ) in medieval times ( before the Ottoman period ). If Im not mistaking, they are called 'Janjevci'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    There still are people who are direct descendants of Saxon miners who came to work in Serbia ( as gastarbeiters ) in medieval times ( before the Ottoman period ). If Im not mistaking, they are called 'Janjevci'.
    Interesting. Have they racially and culturally assimilated into the host population? Do they have any different physical anthropological features than aboriginal locals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Interesting. Have they racially and culturally assimilated into the host population? Do they have any different physical anthropological features than aboriginal locals?
    An encyclopaedia says Saxons are first mentioned in 1303. AD in Kosovo ( the center of the Serbian kingdom and later Empire ) as miners in the city of Yanievo. They're mentioned also as being Catholics.

    From what little I know and heard about them, they speak Albanian language, and are mentioned as being tall and blonde, visibly different from surrounding Albanians.

    I'll conduct a search for more information about this people, since I haven't found much in the encyclopaedia, and nothing on the internet.

    I doubt that there are more than 5000 of them.

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    Post Re: The World's Thinnest Books

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Interesting. Have they racially and culturally assimilated into the host population? Do they have any different physical anthropological features than aboriginal locals?
    The "Sasi" were Serbianized a long time ago

    Serbian mining developed rapidly from the early thirteenth century and provided a large part of the royal revenues. The technical skill was furnished largely by Germans ('Saxons') who emigrated from Transylvania(Erdely, Siebenburgen) to Serbia and Kosovo at the time of the Mongol raids.

    "A most interesting event in that period of Serbian history was the arrival of German miners, the Saxons. They arrived in Serbia in the 1230s, bringing with them new techniques of prospecting and processing precious metals, namely silver, copper and lead. Their knowledge and skill revived the production of metals and opened wide the door of the Mediterranean markets for the Serbian economy. The Saxons developed the mines of Breskovo, Trepca, Rudnik, Rogozna, Novo Brdo, and other mining centers. The growth of mining in Serbia opened a series of economic and trade links with the Adriatic coastal region and southern Italy."

    http://www.snaga.org.yu/Ilustrovana_...uros-prvi.html



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    Post Re: Saxons in Serbia?

    Split from "Thinnest Books" thread in the Lounge.

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    Post Re: Saxons in Serbia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Split from "Thinnest Books" thread in the Lounge.
    What about the Walser?
    They were German farmers that settled in the XIII century in some italian alpine valleys and they still manage to save their original culture.

    I have heard that they still speak a XIII century german dialect and that a lot of german antropologist made studies about them and their archaic language.
    (as if some italians would speak like Dante Alighieri nowadays)

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: The World's Thinnest Books

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    An encyclopaedia says Saxons are first mentioned in 1303. AD in Kosovo ( the center of the Serbian kingdom and later Empire ) as miners in the city of Yanievo. They're mentioned also as being Catholics.

    From what little I know and heard about them, they speak Albanian language, and are mentioned as being tall and blonde, visibly different from surrounding Albanians.

    I'll conduct a search for more information about this people, since I haven't found much in the encyclopaedia, and nothing on the internet.

    I doubt that there are more than 5000 of them.
    Janjevci were Croats,not Saxons, who settled in Kosovo

    Official Yugoslav statistical corrections, with the help of previous census results (1948-1981)

    1,956,196 Total population (corrected from 359,346) - 214,555 Orthodox Serbs (194,190 Serbians and 20,365 Montenegrins) - 1,596,072 or 81,6 % Albanians (corrected from 9,091) - 66,189 (Slavic) Muslims (corrected from 57,758) - 45,745 Roma (corrected from 44,307) - 10,445 Turks - 8,062 Croats (Janjevci) - 3,457 Yugoslavs

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_...on_data-points



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    Post Re: Saxons in Serbia?

    "When the Slavs came into these regions of Eastern Serbia, mining, which was of crucial economic and business importance during the Roman period, relinquishes possession to cattle-breeding. In Serbian Medieval State, in the reign of Stefan Uros I (1243-1276), mining was flourishing, and that was connected to German miners - Saxons."

    http://www.museumbor.org.yu/istorije.htm


    "The oldest historical documents of the Southern Slavs say that King Stefan Uros I of Raska brought Germans to the country, as excellent miners. The well-known Saxons were present from the beginning of the 14th century, especially in Kopaonik mining area.
    The medieval miners' settlement Stari Trg, near Trepca, was the marketplace for the miners' handicrafts."

    http://www.kopaonik.net/eng/_html/ab...lheritage.html



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    Post Re: Saxons in Serbia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica
    What about the Walser?
    They were German farmers that settled in the XIII century in some italian alpine valleys and they still manage to save their original culture.

    I have heard that they still speak a XIII century german dialect and that a lot of german antropologist made studies about them and their archaic language.
    (as if some italians would speak like Dante Alighieri nowadays)
    http://www.eurominority.org/version/...orites=it-wals

    http://www.ethnic.isig.it/walita.htm



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojvoda
    Janjevci were Croats,not Saxons, who settled in Kosovo
    I thought the Janjevci is the name for non-Albanian Catholics in Kosovo, not some specific ethnic group. I figured that most of the Janjevci are probably Saxon.

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