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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    A preposterous claim. That is like saying because Panda bears are found in china that they must also be natural to Iceland as well.
    No, it's not. A claim such as pandas being endemic to all land masses is not scientific--there is no evidence for it being true nor any observation that would give it credence in the first place. On the other hand, assuming that chemical reactions in which the products have lower free energies than the reactants would proceed spontaneously in another galaxy as they do here on earth is a reasonable claim. And if we were to somehow discover that that is not the case, then scientists would have no qualms about using the observation to generate new insights, because they don't care about being wrong. In fact, a proper scientist would be delighted at there being such a paradigm-shifting discovery about the nature of the cosmos, because it would mean that we understand the universe that much better.

    Science has never provided any worthwhile evidence nor have you personally confirmed their claims by conducting your own studies. But guess what? That would take many, many years of school, taught by these very same establishment scientists, insuring that you will conform to the same laws that they themselves have invented.
    Scientific research predates its institutionalized version.

    The only way for you to know if they are telling the truth is to develop your own method outside of establishment science by which to explain the universe and then compare your findings with those of the scientists. If they match up only then you can make the claim that science is offering a version of the truth.
    I suppose on a purely philosophical level you are correct here. I can't be sure of the existence of atoms because I've never personally performed X-ray diffraction. However, I've been around the scientific community enough to trust it.

    Since I can already predict what your response will be to my last sentence, which will be something comparing my "faith" in science to faith in religion, I'll go ahead and prepare my response ahead of time. When I was young I got strep throat every year, and when I took the little thing the doctors prescribed me, something called an antibiotic, discovered by scientific researchers as a natural anti-bacterial agent found in fungi, I immediately got better. In contrast, I don't recall making the sign of the cross with holy water ever doing a damn thing, even when I believed in Catholicism.

    Science is nothing but guesswork. What else did you think it was? They arrive at their position entirely from sitting around and making assumptions.
    A certain amount of guesswork is necessary if you want to find out the truth, but that doesn't mean a discovery is invalid when a scientist's guess turns out to be correct. These guesses they make are as educated as possible as well, taking into account what we already know and should expect, because they realize guesses with no foundation belong to religion. To say they sit around making assumptions is ridiculous.

    People find it easier to think that science is always just on the threshold of discovery, just as they used to think miracles were around the corner if they prayed hard enough.
    Science has made countless discoveries. I could link you a journal article about discovering the structure of an enzyme, but you would probably unconditionally renounce it as an attempt by the Jews to mislead us, so I won't bother.

    Science’s goals are to improve humanity.
    Not necessarily. Science's first and foremost goal is to, as I said earlier, characterize nature. Science is then applied to attempt to improve humanity.

    This is why so many disillusioned people turned to it when religion failed them, because they were sick of their prayers not being answered. But since humanity is at an all-time low in moral/physical degeneracy I would say those prayers have still gone unanswered. Besides, how can you possibly characterize nature without first understanding the meaning of existence OUTSIDE of mans vastly limited knowledge of it?
    The universe could be a box created by beings from a separate dimension, it could be an illusion, or, hey, it could just be created by something called God. In any of these cases, science still is a proven means of understanding whatever it is that we find ourselves in. The meaning of existence does not change that our universe is defined by these things we call scientific laws.

    Vaccines have proven to be a greater danger than what they allege to cure, which includes very long lists of bizarre side-effects. The risks far outweigh any benefits. Just read up on the Gardasil controversy to give you an idea.
    You can hardly use them as proof that science has improved humanity, and this is precisely what science was meant for.
    Smallpox killed 400,000 Europeans per year at the end of the 18th century. Today it no longer exists, save in the freezers of a few heavily fortified laboratories, and the reason why? Vaccines. How were vaccines produced? Through scientific research. There are not long lists of bizarre side-effects from vaccines, and I'm not going to look up a controversy over one, because even if it led to death/disease (which I doubt it did in the first place), it represents a failure of science, not a failure because of science. I can't believe there are actually people on Skadi who believe what you do about vaccines.

    How can you suspect I am underestimating it if you admit to being unfamiliar? You accuse me of ignorance based on your own ignorance of my knowledge about it?

    Science has indeed admitted that it knows next to nothing about the moon.
    I never said I was totally unfamiliar with the moon, just that I wasn't "all that familiar" with it. But I do know for a fact that science knows quite a bit about the moon. I could pull out the literature if you want. Either way, I felt it necessary to point out your extreme understatement.

    Virtue? Again, please explain how our peoples existence has been improved and our continued existence assured because of science. The same individuals who wish to destroy Germanics are the very same ones who control and fund the scientific institutions.

    Science is supposed to benefit humanity. Humanity is dying. Germanics are being wiped out. Science has not achieved a damned thing if our existence grows ever bleak.
    Since our civilizations are decaying at the same time we are learning more through science, science is responsible for the decay? That's confusing correlation with causation if I've ever seen it. Germanics have been doing scientific research before the advent of cultural marxism. Indeed, part of the reason our civilizations are more sophisticated than others is precisely because of our greater knowledge as obtained through our people's scientific endeavors.

    You actually claim here that establishment science has “always largely” operated without bias? What evidence do you have to back this up? I can list hundreds of examples of just how corrupt the world of science is but I will mention just one for now:

    Science is responsible for claiming that race-mixing produces new and improved humans. Does my protesting this ridiculous claim count as nonsense to you?
    That doesn't sound like science to me. I know of no scientific journal that would publish something like that. Science may say race-mixing produces a greater diversity of human leukocyte antigen alleles to bolster the immune system against a broader range of invading pathogens, or science may say race-mixing produces individuals with a diminished efficacy for organ transplants due to the lack of a matching tissue type from either race. Science would never however make a judgement call in favor of or against race-mixing; it would only lay out the realities of it.

    How has science benefited Germanics? If anything you would think that "unbiased" science(as you claim) would recognize us as the path to recovery, not just for ourselves but all of humanity. Instead ALL of establishment science conforms to the multi-cult, thus contributing to our destruction and the glorification of those who destroy us.
    Where did you get the idea I thought it could cure us of all of our ills? I think science is a wonderful method of finding out how exactly this place we inhabit called the universe functions. I don't think it'll magically make all of us preservationists. I'm not sure what you're getting at there.

    Anyway, this is wasting way too much of my time, and it's abundantly clear that I won't be able to change the mind of someone who disregards all scientific discoveries while at the same time communicating with someone in a different part of the world via a network of machines.

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    I have a better question: how can you not?

    Ghosts are about as real as the benefits of multiculturalism. There, that's pretty much all that could and should be said on the issue.

    Furthermore, if ghosts were real and came from human beings that used to be alive, why is it that only crazy people have reported seeing ghosts? If these ghosts were once people, wouldn't they want to make better effort at being taken seriously? Why only chose crazy people as a medium to communicate with the world?

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    The Paranormal

    Yes, I certainly believe in these things because I've had way too many experiences my entire life to say that I don't believe! When you have had a lot of encounters with spirits and this type of stuff is an important base in your life, you look at everything in a totally different way from those who don't. At the same time though I don't get upset with people who don't believe in spirits and paranormal things because they usually have never had those events happen in their lives so you really can't blame them for not being "believers"..

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    I believe in the existence of God, Satan, angels,and daemons but I misunderstood this question-I thought it meants just ghosts and spirits

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    Yes, there's sound evidence that they exist, despite the fact that so-called ghost hunters and other charlatans over the centuries have made a dubious living exploiting the phenomena.

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    Heres an interesting documentry for all you believers and non believers.


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    Yes, I do. I believe have a house wight but it's friendly enough. I have had dreams of shadowpeople also which is very scary at the time and makes you wake up screaming, literally!

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    The physicist Klauber lays the theoretical foundation for the existence of ghosts in his article modern physics and subtle realms.

    So, the theoretical existence, that means the possibilities of their existence (as well as other funny entities) is not against modern physics but very much in line of it.
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    ghosts

    I believe and have seen some really wierd shit

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    There's just too much evidence to deny. I challenge any non-believer to explain how, if spirits don't exist, something like this could happen:


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