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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs

    I found this image, Nordgau's current avatar, to be terribly depressing. Beauty quantified, reduced to a measurement.

    (Sorry for a relatively short post; the picture says more than I.)
    There is an anthropologist holding a cold metal instrument up to her head and she doesn't look as if she finds that strange or worrying at all. I think there is something wrong with this. It just feels--soul-less.
    I don't know from what context this facial measurement picture (probably from 1937) exactly is, could be that it is from the huge anthropological examination of Silesia which v. Eickstedt and disciples carried out in that time.

    Symbolically, I see it rather as an affirmation of the right of racial science and research (and thus as something which belongs to the aspiration of this forum) than as "race materialism" crowing over beauty and spirit. The two--"cold" racial science and racial-folkish spirit--don't need to exclude each other necessarily, the latter one can even--and does, in my eyes--can be advanced through and benefit from the former. (The father of the "Blut und Boden" concept, R. Walther Darré, wasn't absolutely antipathetic to the scientific-anthropologic basis of racialism also, by the way. )

    I wouldn't interpret that much into the facial expression of that woman, what she thinks or not. I think it's primarily important that you have to sit still at such a measurement without faxing and grimacing around, just like when you're making a passport photo. And anthropogical ivestigations of populations were no unusual thing at that time. If an anthropologist took such measurements from me, I wouldn't find that strange or worrying, but would be rather interested in the results.

    I anyway thought my current avatar just to be a provisionary solution, I received, however, approval from the pigmentation fetishism directorate.

    This thread reminds me a bit of the of the disputes which come up in the German section of Skadi from time to time, where leftist, sometimes even pronouncedly "anti-racist" "nationalists" polemize against the "inhuman" "racemania" of the "skull gager" faction. N'est-ce pas, Agrippa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlingr Hárbarđarson
    How old are you, SouthernBoy?
    I'm fifteen.
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    Have you ever had a long-term relationship?
    Yes.






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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    I'm fifteen.
    15? Wow. That is very young. I did not know. Firstly, I would like to congratulate you on having been at the right track at such a young age. The forum should have an award for Awakened Youth. This is a noble thing.

    Yes.
    Sorry, but 15? So you were 12 and fell in love? No offence, but . . . I do not think we are meaning the same thing. Haha, just wait 10 years. You'll see what I mean.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    I think someone already told SouthernBoy about the birds and the bees... ... or he discovered the glossy mag under his father's bed by accident.
    True love, indeed.

    No offence intended, SouthernBoy. As said, I am very impressed with you having the thoughts you do at your age and I enjoy your participation to here; I am certain the same can be said at Lokes behalf. You are an appreciated member.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    I think someone already told SouthernBoy about the birds and the bees... ... or he discovered the glossy mag under his father's bed by accident.
    I have known for half my life; only sounds impressive before you know my age.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erlingr Hárbarđarson
    Sorry, but 15? So you were 12 and fell in love? No offence, but . . . I do not think we are meaning the same thing. Haha, just wait 10 years. You'll see what I mean.
    I thought it was love, but it was a mistake.
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    Indeed, SouthernBoy is very mature for his age, intellectually.
    ...on the computer.






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    I think some of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

    I will side with Southern Boy on this one.

    As I've grown older, romanticism has faded, and the sobering bite of realism opens the eyes. Such talk of souls and love is really nebulous. I prefer science, things palpable and provable.

    This is similar to all of this religious talk I hear, good versus evil, God will soon come back and judge us all. This is all based on faith, and people throughout time have always had these fantasies.

    What I do disagree with is excessive racialism, what might be the thing some are referring to. To become robotic and categorize everyone in a certain way. I reject this for European ideals of individual freedom, it's oppressive. However, I think most of these reactions are simply because we have degenerated so far from having a rational racialist philosophy that even sensible racialism is viewed with skepticism and knee-jerk liberalism. We must develop some criterions based on heritage and phenotype to preserve our people.

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    Symbolically, I see it rather as an affirmation of the right of racial science and research (and thus as something which belongs to the aspiration of this forum) than as "race materialism" crowing over beauty and spirit. The two--"cold" racial science and racial-folkish spirit--don't need to exclude each other necessarily, the latter one can even--and does, in my eyes--can be advanced through and benefit from the former.
    "Racial science" is inherently materialistic and, like most modern sciences, loses perspective of the ontological unity of concepts (such as blood and spirit) by focusing on the material, profane aspects of one thing. Blood is looked upon not as a metaphysical concept inseperable from those other concepts that unify man's being, but as a genetic and anthropological notion--as if it could be understood in this fractured context! Profane science focuses on beings and thus fails to understand Being. It is therefore completely antithetical to higher, truer understanding.

    The father of the "Blut und Boden" concept, R. Walther Darré, wasn't absolutely antipathetic to the scientific-anthropologic basis of racialism also, by the way.
    Too bad for Darré, then. It seems he observed a relation between aspects of blood and soil (and also soul), and thus suggested some sort of synthesis between the concepts. However, this could not have been a true synthesis, a true observation of unity, as evidenced by the fact that he was not opposed to a profane and fragmentary view of race.

    I think it's primarily important that you have to sit still at such a measurement without faxing and grimacing around, just like when you're making a passport photo. And anthropogical ivestigations of populations were no unusual thing at that time. If an anthropologist took such measurements from me, I wouldn't find that strange or worrying, but would be rather interested in the results.
    She was likely aware of the method of taking measurements, but that doesn't change the fact that a normal individual would/should find such a procedure very strange.
    And it's not as if one must have such measurements taken and results given to determine one's race. If one truly belongs to a race, they know and feel this truth. And furthermore, if one truly belongs to a race, they can tell, usually at a glance and always by getting to know an individual, who else shares their heritage. I find all this classification largely useless.

    Anyway, I didn't make this thread to further expound my views on the metaphysics of race (I have clarified that issue as much as need be and do not believe the truth of it requires defense, only understanding), but instead to discuss an aspect of race (though something not exclusive to race, as it is found also in the earth and sky): beauty. More specifically, the demise of beauty and reducing of it to something measurable. Toward this end, what more need be said? The thought requires expansion, so I eagerly await objections.

    As I've grown older, romanticism has faded, and the sobering bite of realism opens the eyes. Such talk of souls and love is really nebulous. I prefer science, things palpable and provable.
    To translate: "As I've grown older, I have died."

    This is similar to all of this religious talk I hear, good versus evil, God will soon come back and judge us all. This is all based on faith, and people throughout time have always had these fantasies.
    Such religious talks are obviously fantasies, but all faith should not be condemned because some must be.

    What I do disagree with is excessive racialism, what might be the thing some are referring to. To become robotic and categorize everyone in a certain way. I reject this for European ideals of individual freedom, it's oppressive.
    I, of course, agree with your disagreement with "excessive racialism," but disagree with your reasons. The individual is the antithesis of the person; the individual's conception of freedom the opposite of true freedom.
    Please explain why you value "individual freedom," and why you think these modern misunderstandings are "European ideals."

    We must develop some criterions based on heritage and phenotype to preserve our people.
    I assume you are refering to "phenotype" in an anthropological sense.
    What is phenotype but the product of heritage? Why base criteria on phenotype at all?
    Only insofar as beauty is a product of phenotype (still a product of blood, but an instance in which those who share heritage may differ in terms of phenotype), phenotype is of value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    To translate: "As I've grown older, I have died."
    That is your erroneous interpretation, and an arrogant one at that. You seem to live in a melodramatic fantasy world.

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    Such religious talks are obviously fantasies, but all faith should not be condemned because some must be.
    No more fantasy than what you describe.

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    And it's not as if one must have such measurements taken and results given to determine one's race. If one truly belongs to a race, they know and feel this truth. And furthermore, if one truly belongs to a race, they can tell, usually at a glance and always by getting to know an individual, who else shares their heritage. I find all this classification largely useless.
    So your idea is to reject science, genetics, physical anthropology, and just rely on personal feelings to decide who belongs to a race.

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