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    Re: AW: Greatest Philosopher Ever (poll)

    not Nietzsche, I would rather prefer Socrates, Plato, or perhaps Kant.
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    In terms of objective standing, Socrates amongst the Ancients (for good or ill); Bertrand Russell amongst the moderns (same).

    Subjectively, Nietzsche is the greatest philosopher in the Tradition, if only for what he has done for the fewest, in contradistinction to herd philosophers such as Mill (who are also necessary).
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    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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    Re: Greatest Philosopher Ever (poll)

    David Hume's views about Negroes were remarkably sane. I am glad that he placed well.

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    Giovanni Gentile, for finishing what Heraclitus & Protagoras birthed in concept, Aristotle & Plato formulated into articulate wording, and that Kant & Hegel refined and furthered into initial systematization.

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    I like Aristotle among the ancients, because his work to formalize and articulate the study of logic.

    Among the moderns, I like Ayn Rand for her development of the philosophy of Objectivism, as opposed to the degenerate philosophy of existentialism. However, some do not consider her a philosopher - apparently you have to be male to be a philosopher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runesinger View Post
    I like Aristotle among the ancients, because his work to formalize and articulate the study of logic.

    Among the moderns, I like Ayn Rand for her development of the philosophy of Objectivism, as opposed to the degenerate philosophy of existentialism. However, some do not consider her a philosopher - apparently you have to be male to be a philosopher.
    Could you elaborate on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runesinger View Post
    I like Aristotle among the ancients, because his work to formalize and articulate the study of logic.

    Among the moderns, I like Ayn Rand for her development of the philosophy of Objectivism, as opposed to the degenerate philosophy of existentialism. However, some do not consider her a philosopher - apparently you have to be male to be a philosopher.
    Many didn't consider Nietzsche a philosopher. Seeing as he was more a writer of prose and aphorisms. I tend to agree...

    Existentialism, as long as it is of the sort that 'value is what you make of it', is a rather viable philosophy in my opinion. Objectivism is, as far as I understand, a set of particular adherences within the scope of positivism & materialism; value set in empiricalism; which to an existentalist would be real value as long as the objectivist was sincere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reich des Waldes View Post
    Could you elaborate on this?
    A short way of describing objectivism is the phrase, "It is what it is." It is the idea that existence is absolute, irregardless of what we think or feel about it.

    If you want to get a pretty good summary of the philosophy given by Ayn Rand herself, here's a link.

    http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...ectivism_intro

    She was kind of a neo-Aristotelian. She was severely criticized for some parts of her philosophy, which ran counter to some Christian values - not a popular thing in the 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runesinger View Post
    A short way of describing objectivism is the phrase, "It is what it is." It is the idea that existence is absolute, irregardless of what we think or feel about it.

    If you want to get a pretty good summary of the philosophy given by Ayn Rand herself, here's a link.

    http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...ectivism_intro

    She was kind of a neo-Aristotelian. She was severely criticized for some parts of her philosophy, which ran counter to some Christian values - not a popular thing in the 1950's.
    Ah, so you're saying it is "degenerate" based on it's (quite literal antithesis in name to objectivism) "subjectivity", or relativism which can be used toward 'liberal' and hedonistic individual epicurean self-serving ends... I really don't think existentialism results in that so much. I do not yet agree however with existentialism that (at least not in all tenses) "existence precedes essence" but it certainly does in my opinion when we apprehend ontology a posteriori, i.e. existentialism is true only when all is viewed empirically, as value judgements, however I consider man the measure of things a priori and do believe there are definite limits metaphysically where there is no empirical state (if you believe such a thing a possibility, which as one who agrees with objectivism maybe you don't)

    My critique of Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" is the ontology I don't see as very philosophical; it says reality is objective, whether we like it or not, but what is it saying is the veracity of truth as a criterion beyond that? Is that claiming a materialism/realism? Then of what type? Naive realism? Dualism? Atomistic/mechanism? Is it deterministic? etc. etc.

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    Heidegger, of course

    Martin Heidegger.
    He turned everything upside down and shook it.
    He was the magician who pulled us out of our own hats as though previously we had been but sterile rabbits.
    After him, nothing was the same.
    If you believe in God, put it like this: God said "Heidegger," and then there was light.
    No one could foresee his challenge coming. No one who understood his thought could think again in the old automatic way.

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