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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    C Loring Brace did report this, however despite the differences, neanderthals were still closer to us than early Europeans.
    Well, I saw the skulls of early Europids in a museum (a copy of course) and of Neanderlids to and the Neandertalids are definitely not nearer than the early Europeans!
    I dont know if Brace said this, but I think that is some sort of misunderstanding...

    I give you data and pictures of the sapiens and the neandertalensis.

    I dont think that CLASSIC Neandertalids can be nearer to any Europid than any early sapiens.

    I mentioned this because the position of UP Europeans changed when Mongoloids were added. Perhaps I didnt explain what Brace (and the others) found clear enough. Modern Europeans are closer to northern Asians than to the lineage of Upper Paleolithic Europeans with pre-Mongoloid northern Asians.
    Thats of course interesting if its true.

    This fits with the genetic evidence from the haplogroup R, linking Eurpoean UP survivors with the Neomongoloids and the American Indians who have similar haplogroups, but is not shared with most Europeans.
    Would make some sence either.
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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Well, I saw the skulls of early Europids in a museum (a copy of course) and of Neanderlids to and the Neandertalids are definitely not nearer than the early Europeans!
    I dont know if Brace said this, but I think that is some sort of misunderstanding...

    He clearly said this, and it is shown as such on his dendrogram. Because of the many differences the Neanderthal branch length was extremely long, but enough similarities exist so that they are closer to modern Europeans than Upper Paleolithic Europeans were, in the results.

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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    He clearly said this, and it is shown as such on his dendrogram. Because of the many differences the Neanderthal branch length was extremely long, but enough similarities exist so that they are closer to modern Europeans than Upper Paleolithic Europeans were, in the results.
    Thats a fake! He must have measured some very special things and he must have been quite creative...

    I saw the skulls, I saw the morphological differences (beside size) and there is no rational way to come to this conclusion!
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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Thats a fake! He must have measured some very special things and he must have been quite creative...

    I saw the skulls, I saw the morphological differences (beside size) and there is no rational way to come to this conclusion!

    All I know, is the paper I have a copy of, and which must be on the internet.

    Some of the results seem curious, but it is the results he and others found.

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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    I dont deny that some measurements could be more similar, but not the really important ones and just if you ignore the whole morphology...

    But if you find the paper I would be very curious to look at it...
    I'm still thinking its faked...

    Did he meant the classical Neandertalid? Would make a difference...a classical Neandertalid would be that of the pic I attached.
    The classical Neandertalid was the end of this special evolution of this hyper/great race or species however...

    There are of course Neandertaloids (f.e. in the Near East) which were mor sapiens like. (Probably some were hybrids, fertile or not, others non-specialized Neandertaloids)

    The biggest difference was between the classical Neandertalid and sapiens.
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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    But if you find the paper I would be very curious to look at it...
    I'm still thinking its faked...

    I have attached it, or tried to attach it. I hope that it sends.


    Did he meant the classical Neandertalid? Would make a difference...a classical Neandertalid would be that of the pic I attached.
    The classical Neandertalid was the end of this special evolution of this hyper/great race or species however...

    He used a selection of four European Neanderthals from around 50,000 years ago.

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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I have attached it, or tried to attach it. I hope that it sends.
    Sometimes it just need a some time...


    He used a selection of four European Neanderthals from around 50,000 years ago.
    Yup, that would have been classical Neandertalids.
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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Sometimes it just need a some time...

    Now it has worked as I tried to attach it for you before.
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Friday, January 16th, 2004 at 02:16 AM.

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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Coon wrote stuff on the Neanderthal that is pretty interesting. It's interesting that their teeth were similar to Sinanthropus. I wonder if Neanderthal came into existence by the mixing of Homo Erectus Sinanthropus with the earlier (more modern type) found at Swanscombe and Steinheim.

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    Post Re: Study: Human DNA Neanderthal-Free

    Interesting article, thanks Atlanto.

    But I think its clear now what Brace meant:
    The Neanderthal twig of the dendrogram (Fig. 1A) is separated from the
    others by a greater distance than that discernible between any
    other possible pair.
    So the Neandertalids are not more associated with Europeans, than f.e. the Upper Palaeolithic Europoids.

    The Europids are just NEARER to the Neandertalids than any other population, which is something known, and the reason because Coon stated a possible mixture of sapiens with neandertalensis at least for the so called Upper Palaeolithic races/survivors of his taxonomy.
    But now we know that this is not true, and of course the early Europoids aremore related to other sapiens than to neandertalensis generally speaking.

    Just from the sapiens the Europeans are closer to neandertalensis than f.e. some other examples.

    At least thats what I read out of the article.

    The pictures Brace provided are somewhat misleading at the first look.
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