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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    The Berid race was coined by Lundman and resembles the West Mediterranid in height, pigmentation and head form (meso-dolichocephalic, low-vaulted), but its body is sturdier, the face and nose broader than the former.

    Riquet groupes as Méditerranoïdes archéomorphes(= Berid race) all small-bodied dolichocephalics which retained mesolithic traits as a general rugged appearance, eminent glabella, rectangular orbits, keeled vault, large but usually low face... Historically diverse populations seperated in time and space resort to the Méditerranoïdes archéomorphes: Mugem, Téviec, Hoediec, some Aquitanians and the neolithic cromagnoids of Westphalen-Hessen.

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch
    Is the Berid type the one Coon refers to as a "coarse Mediterranean mesocephal", found throughout the Iberian Peninsular and in Southern Italy?
    Yes, thats the basic form and distribution.
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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Yes, thats the basic form and distribution.
    Then, in conclusion, we could call "Western-Med" (short statured refined etc.) the equivalent of Deniker's Ibero-Insular, while "Northern-Med" the Deniker's Atlanto-Med ( and perhaps the Atlantid)

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    Maybe Atlanto-med can sort this out. I wish we would use one writer's classification such as Coon. I know the German section would like Guenther which is also ok if we could limit it to two. There are as many racial classifications as there are writers on the subject.
    If youre asking me to create an extire taxonomy of types what everyone can agree to use, I doubt I could do that.

    Id rather not place too much importance on types if theyre defined by the presence or absence of what is simply adaptation to changes in their lifestyle, like seperating the Berid from other Western Meds. But its still important to know the variation in robusticity and what causes it and to have a name for the robust type.

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    If youre asking me to create an extire taxonomy of types what everyone can agree to use, I doubt I could do that.

    Id rather not place too much importance on types if theyre defined by the presence or absence of what is simply adaptation to changes in their lifestyle, like seperating the Berid from other Western Meds. But its still important to know the variation in robusticity and what causes it and to have a name for the robust type.
    Yes, I fully agree. Some emphasize too much the names and forget whats really important, that is the specialisation and its cause, the evolutionary tendency behind. On the other hand a name is necessary and for the South Western, shorter robust type the usual name is Berid, simple as that.
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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    If youre asking me to create an extire taxonomy of types what everyone can agree to use, I doubt I could do that.
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    I absolutely agree on this. It's utopia , i fear, creating a "universal" scheme (my initial desire).

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    I absolutely agree on this. It's utopia , i fear, creating a "universal" scheme (my initial desire).
    Oh well, if its about subtypes yes, if its about types no. Of course there are not that much things someone could say with which everybody does agree...in fact I dont know too much. Even the most self-evident conclusions might be attacked by baffled or religious people f.e...
    Just think about Neodarwinism and Creationism in the USA. There are not that much theories better proved than evolution, but still you have religious crackpots which oppose it - not just in detail, but as a whole and their alternative is the bible - the exact word of it, not metaphoric understanding which could be argued with a lot of fantasy - idiotic.
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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    - not just in detail, but as a whole and their alternative is the bible - the exact word of it, not metaphoric understanding which could be argued with a lot of fantasy - idiotic.
    Absolutely.Great statement.

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    There are not that much theories better proved than evolution
    Regardless of the Bible, I think science itself will ultimately be the death of evolutionism

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    According to Lundman during Bronze Age the most concentration of Berid Race (unless North Afica) was Sardinia.



    C.S.Coon marked on his anthropological maps the follow numbers:
    Average stature on Sardinia is only 158-159 (in the range of the smallest stature in Europe); Cephalic Index: 76-77 (so we can regard them as dolichocephalic); Head Size (L+B) only 331-335; thus Sardinians are small-headed population.
    http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/troe-map5a.jpg
    http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/troe-map6a.jpg
    http://www.snpa.skadi.net/bilder/troe-map7a.jpg

    According to Biasutti Sardinia is the darkest pigmented area in whole Italy
    http://forums.skadi.net//showthread.php?t=36307

    Also on his Racial Map he spot on Sardinia symbol which indicate "Europid archaic form" to accent antiquity of it; just as Téviec type in Wales.
    http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.p...id=36499&stc=1

    And In his Taxonomy of Europid Races he mentions Paleosardinian type of General Mediterranean Race; and put only this picture to illustrate it.
    http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/biasutticaucasoid/




    So, by my opinion Lundman's Berid Race is Biasutti's Paleosardinian type. I see Berids as Primitive, infantile, isolated (during Stone Age genetically mutations were spread vary fast across the whole island) and extremely steady reduced in body size (not in proportion!!!) modern derivate of general Crô-Magnon Race.
    People who have Biasutti's works (Dienekes Pontikos???), I think, should be search for racial type above mentioned and post some staff on this forum.
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