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    Post The Berid Racial Type

    Does anyone have a good description of the "Berid" race? Maybe with some pictures?

    I have my only idea of reading some sites on the Internet but in German literature there is not to much written about a "Berid" or similar type.

    Just to say they are Mediterranid people with a "somewhat" broader face and nose seems to be something not very exact.
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    Post Re: The Berid race

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Does anyone have a good description of the "Berid" race? Maybe with some pictures?

    I have my only idea of reading some sites on the Internet but in German literature there is not to much written about a "Berid" or similar type.

    Just to say they are Mediterranid people with a "somewhat" broader face and nose seems to be something not very exact.
    Well, it's origin in Europe is of a dual or bi-polar nature.

    The Brittanic type of Téviec and Hoëdic acquired in the mesolithic a cranial diameter below par with the Scandinavian types but it tends to mesocephaly what Vallois inclines to regard them as ancestral to the Alpine race, and his face is the largest of the mesolithic series with great interorbital distance.
    The forehead receded and the vault is rounded.
    Safe to say that it's essentially a cromagnid, the reduction in statural size doesn't bring about some paedomorphism and clear-cut Med. strains are absent.
    Perhas the sheepherders of the Plynlimon moorlands people of Cardiganshire, Wales are some of the modern representatives of this type; in Scandinavia it appears in Svelnik, on the western side of the Oslo Fjord, during the neolithic.

    The Tage and Mugem type heralds, notwithstanding that they expose some primitive traits, the emergence of the small Ibero-Insular but also of the Danubian(!) type: more gracile, narrow face, curvature of the forehead, higher orbits, slight concavity of the nose(+mesorhinity), prognathy, etc...
    This group show in its morphology without doubt a kinship with the Proto-Mediterreneans of the Natufian period, either by convergence or they represent a foreign element in the racial composition of that period in Europe.

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    Post Re: The Berid race

    I also found very little information about the Berid race online...surprisingly. I did find this small entry about Berid origin...maybe it could be of use to you? I hope so! I go it from an article called:

    The racial history of Europe: an outline
    from: http://www.nordish.com/

    "Most of the Berids live in the more unfavorable areas of southwestern Europe. In part they were forced there by other races. In the case of the Berids, we evidently have before us a more original type. Hence, the more gracile West-Mediterraneans originated then in the more favorable regions of this part of Europe. Their present overly slender extreme-types are probably entirely late products of the environment. These body types - as in the case of similar types of the other more slender races - were lacking in their actual rather near-peasant forefathers."
    "Nature! We are surrounded and embraced by her:
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    Without asking, or warning, she snatches us up into her circling dance, and whirls us on until we are tired, and drop from her arms." - Goethe

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    Post Re: The Berid race

    It seems to be a major component in the west, right?

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    Post What is the Berid subrace?

    What is the Berid subrace? This subrace classification really exists?



    I made a search here and I found thousands of post that mention the Berid subrace especially at the racial classifications. But I only found one post that give a brief explanation of what is the berid race.



    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7289&highlight=berid





    I also made a search at internet but the results that I got were almost nothing?



    I am really curious about this matter. Can someone help me? Some pictures will be also a great help.

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    The southwestern European racial groups-Berids, West-Mediterraneans, and Alpines - evidently originated from shorter-statured and darker Cro-Magnids. These more southerly Cro-Magnids were less adapted to cold climate.

    Most of the Berids live in the more unfavorable areas of southwestern Europe. In part they were forced there by other races. In the case of the Berids, we evidently have before us a more original type.
    Hence, the more gracile West-Mediterraneans originated then in the more favorable regions of this part of Europe. Their present overly slender extreme-types are probably entirely late products of the environment. These body types - as in the case of similar types of other of the more slender races - were lacking in their actual rather near-peasant forefathers.

    The Alpine race arose only rather late through brachycephalization in the poorer and colder regions of Berids and Berid-mixtures. The origins of this race can be traced back to the Neolithic period. But only in the Middle Ages is the Alpine race more strongly prominent.
    The true West-Mediterranean race (the Ibero-Insular race of Deniker) in southwestern Europe is low-skulled and longskulled (dolichocephalic), dark, short-statured, and gracile in body form (See Figure 3). This race has a narrow face and is low in the frequency of blood type gene q. Within this region, however, there are remnants of the still smaller Berid race (See Map 18). This race is broader-formed in face and nose, but very similar to the West-Mediterranean race in the other anthropological traits - such as head form and pigmentation. The Berid race is also low in the frequency of blood type genes p and q.
    http://www.cograce.org/literature/LU...dman-races.htm

    Though I disagree with Lundman on some things, I agree with him on the basic relations between Berids - Mediterranids - Westalpinids in Western Europe, three specialisations out of a more or less common source.

    From this forum and thread
    http://dodona.proboards35.com/index....3849785&page=1

    This pictures:
    http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/12/med20me16fc.jpg

    Though the examples for the Berid type are not all that good, they give an impression of whats the difference between Gracilmediterranid-Westalpinid-Berid.
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    Post Re: The Berid race

    Quote Originally Posted by TisaAnne
    "Most of the Berids live in the more unfavorable areas of southwestern Europe. In part they were forced there by other races. In the case of the Berids, we evidently have before us a more original type. Hence, the more gracile West-Mediterraneans originated then in the more favorable regions of this part of Europe. Their present overly slender extreme-types are probably entirely late products of the environment. These body types - as in the case of similar types of the other more slender races - were lacking in their actual rather near-peasant forefathers."
    Robusticity is related to a non-agricultural way of life, just as domestic animals are gracilised, and robust populatoins like Fuegians and Australians are those that did not practice agriculture.

    Because "favourable regions" here refers to the agricultural regions, the Berids are therefore those Mediterraneans who have not physically adapted to a settled way of life to the degree of the gracile Mediterraneans have done. Rather than being forced out.

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    Post Re: The Berid race

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Robusticity is related to a non-agricultural way of life, just as domestic animals are gracilised, and robust populatoins like Fuegians and Australians are those that did not practice agriculture.

    Because "favourable regions" here refers to the agricultural regions, the Berids are therefore those Mediterraneans who have not physically adapted to a settled way of life to the degree of the gracile Mediterraneans have done. Rather than being forced out.
    Right, those forced to worse regions where they had to adapt formed the bulk of the later Alpinids, Berid is the original form left behind by the further developed Mediterranids - they are reduced to some degree either, Palaeatlantids and Dalofaelids are closer to the original unreduced hunters.

    A good pred. Palaeatlantid individual would be Clive Robertson (probably minor other Atlantid/Mediterranid admixture) in my opinion - good representant for the unreduced Western European dark type of the hunters and gatherers:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...139#post298139
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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Is the Berid type the one Coon refers to as a "coarse Mediterranean mesocephal", found throughout the Iberian Peninsular and in Southern Italy?

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    Post Re: What is the Berid subrace?

    Maybe Atlanto-med can sort this out. I wish we would use one writer's classification such as Coon. I know the German section would like Guenther which is also ok if we could limit it to two. There are as many racial classifications as there are writers on the subject.

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