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    "Why White Nationalism is a Loser" by Robert Lindstrom

    "If a group of people were to gather to complain about the rain, boasting how a few dozen of them would one day violently revolt against the weather and defeat it forever, they would be avoided by normal people who might instead summon mental health professional to help the group.

    Further, if this group's activism consisted not of lobbying public officials, consensus building, and scientific endeavors, but instead was limited to symbolic marches and handing out crude fliers proclaiming their hatred for rain, it would be obvious to well-adjusted people that no change would result from the action of this group and that these people had some strange enjoyment for wasting time on a self-defeating mythology.

    What makes people similarly suspicious of White Nationalism is that it offers no plan or positive message, instead relegating itself to complaining about things it "hates" while admitting its impotence to do anything effective about its list of grievances.

    Its claims that a white nation would be a utopia somehow free of the abundant white trash that has created many of the problems facing white people from unhealthy physical and mental lifestyles. In general, they unabashedly point fingers at others before bothering to get their own house in order.

    People who favor Indo-European values and culture approach life differently: they actively support what they appreciate and ignore what is of low character and irrelevant to their goals. There are thousands of ill-conceived and repugnant things in the world, but these only have an audience in the corresponding sort of person.

    Talking about low things finds common ground only with a low audience - better people have moved on to better topics instead of beating dead horses that can go nowhere.

    It is more valuable to construct and promote what is superior in civilization than to smash down one of the many junk artifacts in our cultural landscape. You can help give someone a pointer in the direction of something that is not junk.

    If they are into gutter music, show them the best works of Mozart and Beethoven instead. If they are into the "philosophy" of whatever trendy TV guru is making the rounds, introduce them to Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. If they like the "profound drama" of ER or 24, help them discover the genius of Goethe and Shakespeare.

    Some people find an outlet in beating video games, imagining themselves as a character in a movie, or plotting impossible scenarios for overthrowing the world. Something about the thrill of fantasy provides an alternative to their frustrated reality.

    Others who are activists only care about actual results and have no time for illusions and fantasy. It is up to us to act wisely and most importantly to be truthful with ourselves when working towards our goals."

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    The dogmas of White Nationalism and its danger for European nationalism
    I'm 23, I come from Flanders (Dutch speaking northern half of Belgium) and I consider myself to be a national socialist, a culturalist and a Germanic nationalist. I'm always bothered by the illogical dogmas of 'white nationalism' and the way it threatens nationalism in a European context. I would like to explain that in this thread.

    There is NO such a thing as THE white race.

    There are several European races of which each have a light skin pigmentation. The most prominent examples are:
    - the Germanic race. This group includes Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Danish, Dutch, Flemish, Irish and Scottish. Some put the English also in this category
    - the Slavic race. This group includes most Eastern-European peoples such as Russians, Poles and Czechs.
    - the Mediterranian race. This group includes French, Spanish, Italians and Greeks.
    - the Basks. Their origin is unknown, and their language,genetic make-up and culture are all unique.

    Other than these 4 races, there are also a few ethnocultural groups that are of mixed origin but also have become a unique ethno-cultural group of their own. Examples are :
    - the Lappish : a mix of Mongolian and Germanic
    - the Askenazim (the 'jewish race') : a mix of Germanic, Slavic and Mediterranean

    Each of these races have its own physical traits, its own culture and its own language. Each of these races is white.

    People in immigrant countries (US, Canada, Australia) are a mix of various races or subgroups of a race. This has lead to a dissolution of the differentiation between different white ethnocultural groups. But even black people in the US today often have many features that unquestionably orriginate from a European race and that are non-existing in black Africa.

    The differentiation between white and black that we know today in the US, is a result of the era of slavery, when slaves were black and free men were white. Though black people have freedom today, there still is a strong social distinction between the two groups that seperate them. This gap will most likely never be closed in a way that is acceptable for both groups, which is why 'white nationalism' may be a solution for social problems in the US. It however only applies to the US because of its specific situation.

    The belief that white people are regarded as one homogenous distinct group is also strengthened in the US by the fact that most immigrants who either profit from welfare or are underpaid - and who thereby destroy American welfare - come from countries such as Mexico and Cuba, which is not regarded as white anymore. This is however different in other countries. We have the same problems with immigrants, but in my country, the Mexicans and Cubans are replaced by Slavs. Your black people are our Turks and Moroccans. Your jews are our Frenchspeaking Walloons, who are most the descendants of a French immigrants and racetraitors.

    In Europe, the 'white people' is no homogenous distinct group. Each of the above mentioned races is different from the others genetically and culturally, leading to different problems between these races. But those races themselves too are divided in different subgroups who themselves are divided in subgroups. Every province and even every old city and village has its own identity that goes back hundreds of years. Sometimes there can even be rivalry between these different groups due to ethnoccultural differences.

    Americans often don't realize it, but in Europe cultural differences are greater between cities located at 50 miles from one another than differences in the US between cities located at 1000 miles from one another. Racial differences between white people in the US are non-existant, while they are very prominent in Europe. Basing a world view on the situation in the US, is a very narrowminded and wrong thing to do.

    Jews are a white people

    The Askenazim (the 'jewish race') is more white than many mediterraneans, who are considered to be 'white' by 'white nationalists'. So if mediterraneans are white, then jews are white too.

    You may argue that jews have specific physical features and a different culture. But Germanic people, Slavic people and Mediterraneans all have specific physical features and a culture different from one another. And Askenazi culture really does have a lot of similarities with Eastern-European cultures. I dare you to name one element that is present in all white races but not in the Askenazim......

    White nationalism is a danger to European nationalism

    White nationalism is a danger to European nationalism, as much as multi-culturalism. Both beliefs are dangerous for the diversity and sovereignty of individual peoples. Does that mean white people shouldn't cooperate beyond the limits of their ethno-cultural background? Of course, not. One should work together with everyone who can help the cause they believe in, whether that's the establishment for a 'white homeland' in the US, a national socialist nation somewhere in Europe or whatever you believe in. I however find it to be hypocritical and illogical to regard racially conscious people with a white skin as allies be default, while regarding racially conscious people with a different skin color as enemies.

    I'm willing to cooperate with anyone who can help my cause, regardless of race. I'm not willing to cooperate with anyone who wants my people to assimilate.... whether its assimilation to a broad 'white' nation or to a multi-cultural nation. Hitler despised the Slavs, but he cooperated with the Japanese and the Turks. George Lincoln Rockwell once respected and sought an alliance with Malcolm X, who too believed in the existence of a white homeland (next to a black homeland) in America. Modern 'white nationalism' makes that kind of alliances impossible and forces us to cooperate with other white peoples who may be our natural enemies....

    I don't regard any people as subhuman. Each race has its own superior traits and its own inferior traits, just like any individual. There is nothing wrong to feel pride about your superior traits, but you shouldn't hate people of other races because of that.... whatever color they may have.

    I believe that ALL races should have the right to live in their own homeland as a distinct group with full sovereignty.... regardless of skin color. My loyalty however lies with the Germanic people, and no other people.

    http://www.phora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9671

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    Borderline off-topic: is it true that the Basques are genetically unique as this guy says?

    As for his comments about Lapps being a "mixture of Germanics and Mongoloids"... :icon12:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    Borderline off-topic: is it true that the Basques are genetically unique as this guy says?
    http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/000244.html

    http://www.raceandhistory.com/worldhotspots/basque.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    Borderline off-topic: is it true that the Basques are genetically unique as this guy says?

    As for his comments about Lapps being a "mixture of Germanics and Mongoloids"... :icon12:
    Yep, presumably the Lapps mixed with the 'Germanics' thousands of years before the 'Germanics' even existed. And everyone knows that 'Tat C' in one's genetic makeup is positive proof that one's ancestors looked like Charlie Chan.

    *Searches in vain for Massive Sarcasm icon*

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    What a disappointingly ill-educated response. Nitpick at the details, and miss the point.

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    I always thought Lindstrom had his head screwed on straight, the article echoes what most Nordicists feel in my opinion.

    Good read, thanks neoclassical.

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    "- the Germanic race. This group includes Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Danish, Dutch, Flemish, Irish and Scottish. Some put the English also in this category"

    Where else could you put them in the categories he mentions?:
    Don't let Europe Rule Britannia!

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    Well, what he speaks about are mostly just cultural groups. What is the "Germanic race" and what is the "Slavic race". A Serbian isn't very likely to look like a Russian, but they are both "slavs". I wholeheartedly agree about the whole "White race" thing since its just BS, but that doesn't mean I'm anti-slav. If we can't get every race on this good earth to become radical traditionalists then it will be quite hopeless. What is the point of the Indo-Europeans on this planet become traditional again, if there are 10 billion members of the Shudra just outside our borders, they would destroy the planet just as fine without us, or eventually just swarm us. We need to ally ourselves with the high-caste members of the other nations, not turn them away.

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    His analogy with the rain was a bit odd, but he makes some good points.

    "Further, if this group's activism consisted not of lobbying public officials, consensus building, and scientific endeavors, but instead was limited to symbolic marches and handing out crude fliers proclaiming their hatred ..."

    This is true. However, one must realize that people will lose their jobs and be denounced into oblivion if they speak out. One simply cannot be successful in our current socio-political environment and speak out about race. Show me an example of someone who is allowed to do this. There are tremendous pressures involved. Naturally the great majority of people keep their mouths shut and just go on with their daily lives, which in most cases is enough of a work load without worrying about being politically incorrect and be vilified as a racist/anti-semite. Why does more of the lower class speak out? They have less to lose. The rich and successful have much more to lose, so they remain silent or disinterested.

    As to the white question: Some people have a hard time with this, but it is synonymous with European. Is there a European race? Obviously there is some continuity there despite sub-racial differences and ethnic conflicts. I mean people don't equate inter-European mixing with inter-race mixing. That is the value of white or European. Don't let your enemies define your world for you. Jews and mongrels don't define the word white for me. Anymore than their nonsense about anyone can be English, German, Australian, American, etc.

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