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    Quote Originally Posted by neoclassical
    I dare you to name one element that is present in all white races but not in the Askenazim......
    You mean besides the fact that they are NOT jewish?:annoysigr
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    Identifying anything as "white" is false. "White" is a social construct. Along with no longer considering European sub-race x as sharing an identiy with Jews, we must abandon the notion of "whiteness"--as it encourages the identification of Jews with other sub-races, and the identification of all of these sub-races as one race.
    Anyone who uses the term "white" encourages an error in perception that leads to miscegenation.
    You have to bear in mind that for many Americans, of mixed European background, "white" is about as close as they can get to any racial identity.
    What would you advise your kinsmen to do?

    This could be interpreted in a couple of ways.

    The correct way, "Jewish" as metaphor:
    The West has become Jewish. Lo, even those of Nordic stock now have hooked noses! We have embraced a Jewish mindset, we are now obsessed with money, and we love our relativism--and have thus declined.
    I agree that we are on the wrong path.
    The incorrect way:
    Look at the faux target! Look at the scapegoat! If we rid ourselves of Jews, all things will be right with the world!

    The "Jewish Problem" is on one hand highly exaggerated and on the other completely ignored. In terms of a Jewish presence, the Jews are not a special case--the presence of any foreign element is harmful. In terms of spirit, few see the problem we face.
    Mate, in the USA anything that isn't Native American Indian is foreign. Your "white" community is under threat, so how do you define 'foreign' with this in mind?
    If you refuse to accept "white" then how can you justify "black" or "yellow"?
    Do you catch my drift? You can go 'phenotype fishing' among the whites, for a cream of the crop or accept an intellectual elite which may contain other admixtures.
    Alternatively you could just get real and try to raise the racial awareness amongst the "whites". This does not need to be of the base 'White Power' kind, but people need something to be proud of; a reason to value who they are.
    But I'm not American so what do I know?

    P.S. Are you an ANUSite?
    A people which takes no pride in the noble achievements of remote ancestors
    will never achieve anything worthy to be remembered with pride by remote descendents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    Identifying anything as "white" is false. "White" is a social construct. Along with no longer considering European sub-race x as sharing an identiy with Jews, we must abandon the notion of "whiteness"--as it encourages the identification of Jews with other sub-races, and the identification of all of these sub-races as one race.
    Anyone who uses the term "white" encourages an error in perception that leads to miscegenation.
    I disagree. You could equally say that European is a social construct, and that Jews claim to be European so you should throw that term out as well.

    The term white itself isn't the problem, it's the misuse of it.

    I am not opposed to using more specific ethnic identification.

    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    This could be interpreted in a couple of ways.

    The correct way, "Jewish" as metaphor:
    The West has become Jewish. Lo, even those of Nordic stock now have hooked noses! We have embraced a Jewish mindset, we are now obsessed with money, and we love our relativism--and have thus declined.

    The incorrect way:
    Look at the faux target! Look at the scapegoat! If we rid ourselves of Jews, all things will be right with the world!

    The "Jewish Problem" is on one hand highly exaggerated and on the other completely ignored. In terms of a Jewish presence, the Jews are not a special case--the presence of any foreign element is harmful. In terms of spirit, few see the problem we face.
    So your idea is to attack the symptoms without attacking the source of the problem. Revilo Oliver would call that insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigel
    You have to bear in mind that for many Americans, of mixed European background, "white" is about as close as they can get to any racial identity.
    What would you advise your kinsmen to do?
    There is no difference with white/European American racial identity than in Canada and Australia for example. Since the national identity has been corrupted, what else are we to do to differentiate our racial heritage? We can use specific ethnic terms, but I believe a broader and more inclusive name is necessary as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigel
    Mate, in the USA anything that isn't Native American Indian is foreign. Your "white" community is under threat, so how do you define 'foreign' with this in mind?
    I disagree with this for two reasons: Kennewick man, and Amerindians are not native to our nation, only to the landmass. Let us not forget that the Mongoloids immigrated here in ancient times as well.

    At what point in time does one become "native" anyway? I would rather use qualifications based on nation than on the landmass itself.

    I do think that the Amerindians deserve a nation of their own and we should carve out some territory for them. As for the rest, they have their own homelands which they can be deported to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    So your idea is to attack the symptoms without attacking the source of the problem. Revilo Oliver would call that insanity.
    "The source" is not the Jew. It's America. The only loyalty people have in an American environment is money, and with money you can do anything. So, eliminate the Jews, and in no time you'll find yourself controlled by a new, about equally immoral White elite.

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    You have to bear in mind that for many Americans, of mixed European background, "white" is about as close as they can get to any racial identity.
    What would you advise your kinsmen to do?
    How unfortunate for them. But that is their problem, and they must find their own answers.
    (and sharing nationality with me does not make those who share neither my racial or cultural make-up my "kinsmen."--though I am certainly not apathetic toward them)

    Mate, in the USA anything that isn't Native American Indian is foreign. Your "white" community is under threat, so how do you define 'foreign' with this in mind?
    By "foreign," I mean alien in blood and culture.

    If you refuse to accept "white" then how can you justify "black" or "yellow"?
    Again, social constructs. In terms of race/sub-species, "negroid," "caucasoid," and "oriental," and possibly also "australoid."

    Do you catch my drift? You can go 'phenotype fishing' among the whites, for a cream of the crop or accept an intellectual elite which may contain other admixtures.
    Alternatively you could just get real and try to raise the racial awareness amongst the "whites". This does not need to be of the base 'White Power' kind, but people need something to be proud of; a reason to value who they are.
    I do not identify myself with those not of my blood and culture. Peripherally, the actions of those of my more extended race are important, but they are my second cousins and come after my family.
    So: I encourage racialism, but want "whites" to identify themselves as members of more specific heritages, as doing otherwise encourages some nonsensical and counterproductive union based on what is most common in all "whites." If people could appreciate their uniqueness more, and rally together as Germanics and Slavs and Celts toward a goal--rather than "Whites" rallying for "White Nationalism" (because the identification of oneself as "White" leads invariably to one promoting "Whiteness")--then I wouldn't have a problem. But how often does this happen?

    P.S. Are you an ANUSite?
    We are the A.N.U.S.
    You will be assimilated.
    Resistance is futile.

    And, no. I post at the ANUS forums and agree with many of prozak's writings, but views at ANUS are quite diverse and a finding common ground with a thinker does not render one a follower of their thought.

    I disagree. You could equally say that European is a social construct, and that Jews claim to be European so you should throw that term out as well.
    Well, insofar as a European must be a Europid, that is not the case. But people should not identify themselves as "European," but instead "Germanic," or "Celtic," or "Roman/Latin," or "Slavic." Or, better, some subcategory thereof. I would prefer that everyone identified themselves firstly by their family, then by town, tribe, ethnicity (Germanic, etc.), and THEN that which is common in all Europeans--their European-ness. Then Indo-European (or otherwise in the case of Hungarians, Finns, etc.), then Caucasoid, then as homo s. sapiens.

    The term white itself isn't the problem, it's the misuse of it.

    I am not opposed to using more specific ethnic identification.
    The use of the term as opposed to a more specific ethnic identification is the problem.
    But I think we are mostly in agreement here.

    So your idea is to attack the symptoms without attacking the source of the problem. Revilo Oliver would call that insanity.
    I do not see the Jews as the problem, but the symptom (thus I think you're the crazy one).

    I disagree with this for two reasons: Kennewick man, and Amerindians are not native to our nation, only to the landmass. Let us not forget that the Mongoloids immigrated here in ancient times as well.
    Outside of my ancestors' homeland, the only morality when it comes to possession of land is: might makes right. I believe that the American Indians probably view(ed) their land as sacred as we (should) view our own homelands, but I'll play cultural relativist to an extent and allow that--with the added stipulation that no one who is not an American Indian should care what they think. If they couldn't protect what they felt was sacred, they didn't deserve it.
    (Same with Europe in the present situation. If a people cannot protect what they cherish--or foolishly cease to cherish--they do not deserve it!)

    I do think that the Amerindians deserve a nation of their own and we should carve out some territory for them.
    I can sympathize with the American Indian tribalist cause, but I would only give them land because: they wouldn't farm or industrialize it to death, most of those who live on any given tract of land are worthless and should have their land taken from them, and if I took that land I would have little use for it myself.
    However, altruism should extend only to one's people (protection of one's extended phenotype is, after all, why we have this emotion)--they shouldn't be given land out of sympathy alone. And there should be no feeling that anyone--especially someone outside of one's race--"deserves" their own nation. Again: might makes right; survival of the fittest.
    Out of life's school of war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    I do not identify myself with those not of my blood and culture.
    I can understand your sentiment, but I'd like to ask the following.

    May I assume you are Germanic? If so there is a certain finite percentage of fellow Americans who are also of this type scattered throughout the USA.
    How would you categorize, organize and ultimately unite them?

    Many Americans whilst claiming Swedish or Dutch ancestry will also have Scots or Irish blood. How would you classify these people? They are certainly of the same 'culture' as yourself (as this is a wider category than blood).
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    Wink Hogwash

    Quote Originally Posted by neoclassical
    Good. You do know that most English are of mixed subrace to such a degree that they're genetically predisposed to be homosexuals (same with Americans, except their genetic predisposition is to attend Jerry Springer filmings)?
    Please prove that statement...as far as I could see the achievements of these "mixed" nations surpassed those of the so called pure one's.

    Quote Originally Posted by 007
    LOL, the Italian family I mentioned was from Sicily.
    Which brings up the next question: Are they considered white?

    I find this very offensive to say the least...My grandmother on my maternal side came from Sicily, and she was white.

    This kind of logic reminds me of americans who believe everyone from South Africa is black...
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    The entire point of my original post was that Italians looked foreign in this area. I have never been to Sicily, so I can't make any informed comments about the racial make up of that island, but this particular family had jet-black hair and olive skin so I wouldn't call them white. Still European, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by 007
    I grew up in a very Nordic area, even Italians stood out from the crowd when they first showed up here.
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    May I assume you are Germanic? If so there is a certain finite percentage of fellow Americans who are also of this type scattered throughout the USA.
    How would you categorize, organize and ultimately unite them?
    I would concern myself with my local community. Global-thinking (I would say "national," but America is too large to be considered a nation proper) and concerning oneself with something almost completely outside of one's control is closely related to the ethical imperialism that is the decadence of this age.
    A hierarchy of responsibility: self--family (and friends)--extended family--community (town, city, etc.)--tribe (subrace)--nation--ethnic group (Germanic, Celtic, etc.)--meta-ethnic group (Indo-European)--race (Caucasoid). Concern yourself with your immediate sphere of influence before moving outward.
    The only activities I do for the whole is of an intellectual nature (i.e., writing, affirming healthy behavior, and trying to spread good ideas).

    Many Americans whilst claiming Swedish or Dutch ancestry will also have Scots or Irish blood. How would you classify these people? They are certainly of the same 'culture' as yourself (as this is a wider category than blood).
    Germans don't wear kilts nor listen to bagpipes; Scottish and Germanic culture, though being closely related, differ substantially.
    The subject of mixed Celtic and Germanic ethnicity has actually come up often on a folkish heathen board. "I have Irish and Swedish ancestry. Which gods should I worship?" The general consensus: if you have more Germanic blood than Celtic, you should identify with Germanic culture and Germanic practices, yet still have knowledge of your Celtic heritage (and vice versa); that is, you should be knowledgable about your entire heritage, but only embrace one aspect of it.
    If there is no dilution of culture, a small mixture of two tribes so closely related is no concern. However, I worry that in America there are so many people of mixed ancestry that the result of an acceptance of these mixed folk into a more pure society would be far from negligible.
    Out of life's school of war...

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