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    I seriously doubt that the USSR would have emerged victorious all by themselves. This is simply hubris. The mistake that haunted Germany and all of us ever since was the failure to capture the escaping BEF at Dunkirk. 400,000 prisoners instead of 400,000 enemy combatants is a big deal. This alone could have tipped the scales to win the Battle of Britain and, at that point, the war itself.

    Britain had to be defeated, and defeated in short order, like the French and Poles had been, in order for Germany to have any chance of winning the war. Once lend-lease had begun, America was committed to the allied war effort, and America, if they got a foothold on Europe, was an absolutely unbeatable foe for the Germans, due to their industrial might and the unreachable remoteness of their homeland.

    If Germany had defeated Britain, there would be no war for the Americans to support, Germany would have taken over British colonial areas, with their vast resources, and Stalin would have taken serious pause before attacking such a power. Germany, therefore, could mop up Greece and Yugoslavia and consolidate their power rather than attack Russia. If Germany were to remain neutral and denounce the attack on Pearl Harbor (had it gone through,) FDR and his Jew buddies would have had little excuse to push for war against Germany, especially while fully engaged against Japan. Operation Barbarossa could then perhaps have gone forward in 1942 rather than 1941, and this would pit hyperpower Germany against a USSR which had little to no support. German victory would have been swift.
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    What a worse relationship becomes (between Russia and west ... this thread from year 2005) the more keen Russians are trying to rise up their own roles against Nazis. That's how nationalism (nation's self-respect) works in Russia ...

    I was pretty happy that Poles did't invite Putin to Poland (September 2019) .
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ngers-kremlin/

    And I was even more happy to see how ''mad'' that really made Russians
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/...on-snub-a67108

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    I had many debate with russians on TA, i've never seen such brainwashed peoples, many of them glorified Stalin, denied the sins of communism etc, no comment..

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    Its laughable. Without the allies them supplies the USSR wouldn't have made it ten feet into Germany.

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    "We Could Have Defeated The Nazis Alone" but instead we begged for material via the Lend-Lease Agreement and pleaded with the Allies to open a second front (..because we didn't want to take all the credit ourselves )

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    I addressed a military-technical matter in my first post in this thread, but 14 years ago people here were initially discussing the lend-lease the Soviets benefited from. Russians tend to downplay the importance of it while Anglos overstate it.

    The military material the Soviets received was a plus as far as quantity goes, but it wasn't better than anything the Soviets produced themselves, and as far as tanks go, worse. Nonetheless, in that crucial period 1942-43 the lend-lease did play a role through force of numbers, but probably less so than is generally believed in the West.

    Some of the equipment the USSR received was a huge bonus though: the Soviets hardly produced any locomotives themselves but received thousands from the Americans, for instance. And these locomotives were absolutely crucial. And by simply producing locomotives for the USSR the Americans gave the Soviets the opportunity to direct the efforts of their own war industry elsewhere, which is also a big deal.
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    Russians tend to downplay the importance of it while Anglos overstate it.
    I wish we'd have known this in 1942 when we launched those incredibly dangerous Arctic Convoys. One of them (PQ17) got almost wiped out with considerable loss of life.

    I would suggest that for such huge risks to have been taken the potential benefits must have been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    I wish we'd have known this in 1942 when we launched those incredibly dangerous Arctic Convoys. One of them (PQ17) got almost wiped out with considerable loss of life.

    I would suggest that for such huge risks to have been taken the potential benefits must have been great.
    Not necessarily. Look at the Battle of the Somme. To the arrogant upper classes and the Jews who finance them, the lives of the lower classes mean less than used toilet paper.
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    True, but you still don't take unnecessary risks transporting millions of tons of war material to a place where it isn't really needed.

    Human lives are expendable, as you say, but such a vast waste of military hardware makes no sense; not to mention the large numbers of ships that were lost during the operation.

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