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    Quote Originally Posted by bittercreek
    Isn't she from Lapland? :
    Yes she is, but I was talking about the Danubian sub-race that should include 30% of us Finns according to McCulloch. I'm a bit uncertain about what a Danubian should look like, so if anyone has got good representative pictures I'd be glad to see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lundi
    Danubians are very much like the East Baltic types and they are a proto-nordic group said to have brought the Indo-European languages (Slavic and Baltic) to the eastern parts of Europe. Like Skildur pointed out they are named after the river Danube
    Coon believed that the East-Baltic race was related to Danubians, but the similarities end there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigel
    I never realised that Finnish was considered an Indo-European language. I had always believed that it belonged to another group entirely, related in fact to Hungarian. Finns and Hungarians, themselves, have told me this, but the above quote casts this belief into doubt.
    Does it share any similarity with Lapp languages and do we know at what point it diverged from the main IE language tree?
    Coon's theory implied that IE languages was a mix between Uralic, Altaic and Caucasian languages, but that does not mean Finnish is IE, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevi
    Yes she is, but I was talking about the Danubian sub-race that should include 30% of us Finns according to McCulloch. I'm a bit uncertain about what a Danubian should look like, so if anyone has got good representative pictures I'd be glad to see them.
    The classification by McCulloch based on Coon's work (I believe) was NEO-Danubian (Danubian+Ladogan), not Danubian. Here are images from "Races Of Europe"

    The examples on the attached plate image are from Minks, Belarus, Volhynia, Ukraine, the third guy I have no clue about and the last person is from Linz, Austria.

    Whoops, found them both here from an earlier topic (sometimes using search can be handy ;-) ).

    Danubian
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachme...tachmentid=551

    Neo-Danubian
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachme...tachmentid=552

    And descriptions in the same topic
    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=449&page=2
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    Thanks, that clarified the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VÄRING
    It means that there are alternative theories about the origins of the Finns other than the usual, malicious "Mongoloid" theory which is completely devoid of any truth what so ever.
    Indeed there is. And the one that has been the most widely accepted among scholars during the past few decades is the Continuity Theory (jatkuvuusteoria). In a nutshell, it states that when there's no archaeologically observable interruptions of settlement, nor there can be observed signs of a sudden immigration that would dramatically alter the population during the past 9000 years, the main part of our ancestors must be considered to be the paleo-European hunters who following the expansion of their natural environment moved to present Finland's territory as the glacier slowly melted and the earth was rising. Also, most variations of the theory state that we have spoken a Finno-Ugric language since the neolithic, and place the origin of our language to the middle Volga (but not the origin of the people, like it was previously thought).

    Quote Originally Posted by Lundi
    Means next time some crazed “ARYANS OF THE WORLD UNITED FOR GLORY AND AN IRANIAN DANCE LESSON” forum member tries to declare that Finns are directly descended from Mongols you have a link with the writings of the good Dr. Carleton S. Coon to proof otherwise, not that a proof is needed for most sane people anyways. eyes:
    But obviously 20-30 years is too short time that such a brand new theory would have reached the English speaking world. The thing is that these brave and valiant Kebab-Warriors aren't just taking their views off from thin air. There's a few good or decent web pages about the subject in Finnish, but I completely failed to find a decent English description about Finnish origins in the net. Even the "official" pages are telling that "genetically the Finns are 25% Siberian". :O (of course forgetting to tell that according the same concept, the genetical "Easternness", the Greeks are 33% "Siberian" and even the British 13% "Siberian", most other Europeans being about 23%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by VÄRING
    It means that there are alternative theories about the origins of the Finns other than the usual, malicious "Mongoloid" theory which is completely devoid of any truth what so ever.
    The proto-Finns were of Uralic, not Mongoloid, origin. And Coon's theories about the supposed 'Danubian' origins of the Permian Finns are obscolete, and thoroughly refuted. Modern Permians present a continuum between Uralic and gracile Baltic types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sventovit
    The proto-Finns were of Uralic, not Mongoloid, origin. And Coon's theories about the supposed 'Danubian' origins of the Permian Finns are obscolete, and thoroughly refuted. Modern Permians present a continuum between Uralic and gracile Baltic types.
    If so, then how would you interpret the genetical data of Finns? Haplogroups and mtDNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louhi
    Finnish is not I-E language, never have been and never will be. As for genetics, Finns are considered as old Europeans.
    Althought there are links to dravidic. (southern part of india)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages

    and rivers etc having names like: "ukki", "kaveri" around there.


    yeah, this looking after seemingly unrelated/irrelevant stuff is something i have been keeping busy with the last few months, rather than posting much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louhi
    If so, then how would you interpret the genetical data of Finns? Haplogroups and mtDNA?

    Such as the fact that Finns have 60% of the Tat-C genetic marker (present in 86% of Yakuts, etc...)?

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