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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    You list 7 ethnic groups, but only 6 percentages ... one missing.

    You are correct. The percentage for Karelians - 1.8% is missing. Thank you of notifying me of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    How are Finns who happen to live in Sweden supposed to be racially any different from those who live in Finland?
    The data is actually for Finnish Swedes, i.e. Swedes who live in Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louhi
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    I have never seen epicanthus in people of pure European origin. ast time saw an epicantic folds yesterday, and the owner of those folds was Chinese.\
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    You need to travel more around your own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sventovit
    You are correct. The percentage for Karelians - 1.8% is missing. Thank you of notifying me of this.
    A minute ago it said "Vepses"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymaus
    I have never seen epicanthic folds in any pureblooded european, and I still have yet to see genealogical explanation of how something like epicanthic folds makes it to phenotype.. but black hair and eyes does not? When last I looked, blonde and blue were recessive, and would likely give way to all three of these traits, if one were present.
    The epicanthic fold is also a recessive trait, interestingly enough. Karin Mark hypothesizes that Uralic/Lappinoid Pit-Comb pottery people (Kunda culture, etc...) who migrated to the Eastern Baltic area in the Mesolithic underwent an intensive process of depigmenation before mixing with invading, Baltic-speaking tribes of the Battle-Axe/Corded Ware culture (whether this was environmental or due to some sort of social selective process, she does not specify), which is why the most depigmented areas of Finland and Estonia are the ones with the greatest prependarance of morphological traits that can be traced to this substratum. Thus, in Eastern Finland and Estonia, we find people who are morphologically somewhat beween the Lapps and Scandinavians, but are much blonder than either. I will post more on this later, when I finish translating excerpts from the above cited book on the anthropology and paleoanthropology of the Baltic Finns.

    Also: I would love to see the results for ALL of northern europeans, including Sweden, Norway, Denmark, etc.
    So would I. Unfortunately, it seems that the Western world abandoned physical anthropology shortly after WWII.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if 2% of any group had epicanthic folds, slight ones though they may be, as there is aboriginal/mongolid mixing to some degree in all countries where the two bloods share land.
    Correct.

    In my opinion, 1.9% means as much to the finnish genepool as a fart in a windstorm; though I'd still like to see the full report and their declaration/specification of what an epicanthic fold is for the purposes of this census.
    The definition of 'epicanthic eyefold' used in this study is the same as used by Western anthropologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkele14
    A minute ago it said "Vepses"?
    My mistake. Regardless, both Vepses and Karelians have the same percentage of epicanthic eyefolds (although when it comes to other Uralic morphological traits, the Vepses show a stronger influence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sventovit
    The data is actually for Finnis Swedes, i.e. Swedes who live in Finland.
    One more clarification:

    Is this Swedes who live in Finland, or Swedish-speaking Finns?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sventovit
    You need to travel more around your own country.
    This is just silly. How much traveling have you done around this country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkele14
    Would you hold in especially high regard anything from Soviet Union? :
    Disregarding for the moment your contention that any scientific data collected by Soviet scholars lacks merit (ridiculous, to say the least), I feel it only fitting to point out that data for Finns was collected by Finnish anthropologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch

    Is this Swedes who live in Finland, or Swedish-speaking Finns?
    It is people who live in Finland and self-identify as being Swedish by ethnicity.

    This is just silly. How much traveling have you done around this country?
    A suffcient amount I would say. The point is, Louhi insinuates that she's never seen a European with an epicanthic eyefold (even Saami?), and anthropological statistics state quite unambiguously that such exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sventovit
    Disregarding for the moment your contention that any scientific data collected by Soviet scholars lacks merit (ridiculous, to say the least), I feel it only fitting to point out that data for Finns was collected by Finnish anthropologists.
    Can you provide us with their names?

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