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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidalgo
    You mean some absorbation of "Moorish" blood by Christian Spaniards took place?

    "The newly defined HG25.2 originated on a HG25.1 background. Haplogroup 25.2 is very common only in Northern Africa, and most likely originated in the Berbers of Northwestern Africa within the last few thousand years. Its recent origin and high frequency in North Africa make it an excellent marker to detect recent gene flow to Iberia and Southern Europe"

    Haplogroup 25.2

    Moroccan Berber......71,0%
    Lombardy..................5,6%
    France.......................4,1%
    Asturias.....................2,2%
    Andalusia..................1,6%

    "Human Y-chromosome variation in the western Mediterranean area implications for the peopling of the region"

    Hg25.2 indicates post-neolithic gene flow from Northwestafrica. If Spaniards would have absorbed Moorish blood we should expect at least a higher % of this marker in Spain. But that's not the case. So according to genetic evidence we can say Spaniards DID NOT absorbed ANY Moorish blood.
    Your post was very informative, and you backed up your claims with evidence. And you are correct: some of those Basques would be considered "non-White" by some people even though they are among the racially purest in Europe. I believe genetic evidence is slowly but surely dispelling the myths about mongrelized Southern Europeans. It is my belief that most people who say Meds are mixed are merely saying they don't like Meds or the way they look. They just don't know how to express themselves well.

    Additionally, while it may be true that Moorish absorption is a myth -- according to the findings of more recent studies -- I see nothing wrong with minor absorption that occurs. Contrary to what some European racialists believe, the Moors were the most advanced people of their time, with a potent concentration of "good" genes in Spain and elsewhere (despite being "non-White"), and the advancement enjoyed by Europeans in recent centuries is to some extent owed to the Moors for their intellectual curiosity and prowess. Without the Moors invaluable classical works would have been lost.

    So, it may be true that Moorish absorption is a myth, but either way the notion that the Moors were racially compromised savages is itself a distortion, and one in which Europeans who uphold the truth must counter simply because it is a lie.
    Last edited by galvez; Saturday, January 31st, 2004 at 08:47 PM.
    "The great African, the great ancient African! Here you have an expression, ancient African, which can be opposed to modern European, and which is at least of equal value. St. Augustine was African and he was of the ancient world; so was Tertullian. And why should we not say: 'We must Africanize ourselves ancientwise,' or 'We must ancientize ourselves Africanwise?'"

    -- Miguel de Unamuno

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidalgo
    We can say for sure that "Swarthy Arab looking Mediterraneans" a la Banderas have been in Iberia since PALEOLITHIC times because such types are also found among Basques who are genetically the purest Europeans. The following individuals(which would not be considered white by some people) have lesser Middle-Eastern and North African ancestry as the blondest Swede:













    You mean some absorbation of "Moorish" blood by Christian Spaniards took place?

    "The newly defined HG25.2 originated on a HG25.1 background. Haplogroup 25.2 is very common only in Northern Africa, and most likely originated in the Berbers of Northwestern Africa within the last few thousand years. Its recent origin and high frequency in North Africa make it an excellent marker to detect recent gene flow to Iberia and Southern Europe"

    Haplogroup 25.2

    Moroccan Berber......71,0%
    Lombardy..................5,6%
    France.......................4,1%
    Asturias.....................2,2%
    Andalusia..................1,6%

    "Human Y-chromosome variation in the western Mediterranean area implications for the peopling of the region"

    Hg25.2 indicates post-neolithic gene flow from Northwestafrica. If Spaniards would have absorbed Moorish blood we should expect at least a higher % of this marker in Spain. But that's not the case. So according to genetic evidence we can say Spaniards DID NOT absorbed ANY Moorish blood.
    heres another pic of Miguel Indurain with with fellow basques... I think it represents a much better image of the Spanish composition..

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by almogŕver
    Gálvez used to have a picture of Mendieta (a soccer player) as an avatar (Gálvez, could you post that picture?). Yes, his hair is blondish, and he is a Basque from the Basque Country. But that only means he has some admixture, and by no means is he an example of the Basque phenotype.
    Here he is:

    Last edited by galvez; Wednesday, February 4th, 2004 at 09:56 PM.
    "The great African, the great ancient African! Here you have an expression, ancient African, which can be opposed to modern European, and which is at least of equal value. St. Augustine was African and he was of the ancient world; so was Tertullian. And why should we not say: 'We must Africanize ourselves ancientwise,' or 'We must ancientize ourselves Africanwise?'"

    -- Miguel de Unamuno

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Thanks for all the information.

    I was looking at the website of a Spanish political party, Democracia Nacional , and came across a list of pictures of party members (Organicazion -> Mesa Nacional). Does this list then provide a realistic approximation of the Spanish type?

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by goidelicwarrior
    heres another pic of Miguel Indurain with with fellow basques... I think it represents a much better image of the Spanish composition..
    I don't think the opposition to assimilating distinct Meds needs a justification of non-white blood. It's the same tendency to want to explain racism against blacks because "they're all criminals and degenerates". It's simply not true. But this justification is completely unnecessary.

    I disfavor the immigration of such Spaniards simply based on phenotype and non-Nordish ancestry.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Thanks for all the information.

    I was looking at the website of a Spanish political party, Democracia Nacional , and came across a list of pictures of party members (Organicazion -> Mesa Nacional). Does this list then provide a realistic approximation of the Spanish type?
    yes..it is..

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    I don't think the opposition to assimilating distinct Meds needs a justification of non-white blood. It's the same tendency to want to explain racism against blacks because "they're all criminals and degenerates". It's simply not true. But this justification is completely unnecessary.

    I disfavor the immigration of such Spaniards simply based on phenotype and non-Nordish ancestry.
    No need to worry, the only immigration to the "Nordic heartland" are the brown masses that your jewish leadership favor adding to the below image..

    http://www.american-pictures.com/gal...USA-index4.htm
    Last edited by goidelicwarrior; Thursday, February 5th, 2004 at 10:57 AM.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Interesting pictures. Thanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by goidelicwarrior

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Thanks for all the information.

    I was looking at the website of a Spanish political party, Democracia Nacional , and came across a list of pictures of party members (Organicazion -> Mesa Nacional). Does this list then provide a realistic approximation of the Spanish type?
    Yes, but the photos are card identity pics (bad quality) anyway the answer it´s yes.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by goidelicwarrior
    No need to worry, the only immigration to the "Nordic heartland" are the brown masses that your jewish leadership favor adding to the below image..

    http://www.american-pictures.com/gal...USA-index4.htm
    I agree with you. There is a tendency to draw only distinctions between blacks and whites, or the 3 major types, while any semi-white mongrel or Asiatic is okay. This Pan-Aryan approach is not to my liking and I think preserving Northern European ancestry is important.

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