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    I have become interested in the racial types in Spain and Portugal, as I read that according to some, a huge amount of non-White blood has been absorbed by them, especially by the Portugese. Does anyone know if this is true, or just Nordicist propaganda? I would like to see pictures or actual data to back up whatever your take on this is.
    Also, how many non-Europeans are living in Spain and Portugal?
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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    I have become interested in the racial types in Spain and Portugal, as I read that according to some, a huge amount of non-White blood has been absorbed by them, especially by the Portugese. Does anyone know if this is true, or just Nordicist propaganda? I would like to see pictures or actual data to back up whatever your take on this is.
    Also, how many non-Europeans are living in Spain and Portugal?
    Thanks.
    a huge exagaration.. some berber/ arab blood was probably absorbed during the occupation, but remember that 1492 most jews and moors where expelled to north Africa.. a true Spaniard are a white subrace mix of Iberian, Celtic, Roman and Germanic.. as can be seen of the enclosed pics.. of course Spain is affected by immigration from the third world, thney might be around 3-4 % but increasing, most immigrants are from Europe though...

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Thanks, goidelicwarrior
    I've never been to Spain and the only time I visited Portugal was when I was about six, so I had little recollection of their racial type.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Thanks, goidelicwarrior
    I've never been to Spain and the only time I visited Portugal was when I was about six, so I had little recollection of their racial type.
    your welcome...
    Last edited by goidelicwarrior; Wednesday, January 7th, 2004 at 03:33 PM.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    I have become interested in the racial types in Spain and Portugal, as I read that according to some, a huge amount of non-White blood has been absorbed by them, especially by the Portugese. Does anyone know if this is true, or just Nordicist propaganda? I would like to see pictures or actual data to back up whatever your take on this is.
    Also, how many non-Europeans are living in Spain and Portugal?
    Thanks.
    Here is a link to genetic research on Iberians:

    http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJH...2582.text.html

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Vetinari
    Here is a link to genetic research on Iberians:

    http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJH...2582.text.html
    this is not surprising...no half negoid nation could ever have risen to the heights the Spanish empire rose to.. very simple..

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Excellent Post!
    I feel the below passage deserves to be highlighted for special praise

    Quote Originally Posted by almogàver

    Another thing to have into account was the excellent work done by the Tribunal of the Holy Office (or Inquisition) and the Tribunals of Blood Purity, in later times to uncover the crypto jews and moors.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Very good and informative text. The only mistake is about the Alani: being Indo-Iranian, they were, indeed, Indo-European - real Aryans, close related to the Roxolani, Scythes, the Cimerians, the contemporary Ossetians and, in a less extent, the Persians.

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    I have become interested in the racial types in Spain and Portugal, as I read that according to some, a huge amount of non-White blood has been absorbed by them, especially by the Portugese. Does anyone know if this is true, or just Nordicist propaganda? I would like to see pictures or actual data to back up whatever your take on this is.
    Also, how many non-Europeans are living in Spain and Portugal?
    Thanks.
    Typically this is a claim made by nonscholars and individuals who really don't understand the phenotypic diversity among Europeans. Swarthy Mediterraneans have been in Europe since at least Neolithic times.

    The Moors who invaded Spain were initially Berbers and Arabs (not Blacks), and undoubtedly some absorption took place. Some of the Moorish leaders even took blonde Galician women as wives and thus, over generations, blue eyes were common among the caliphs. Towards the end of Muslim rule in Spain, the vast majority of Moors were actually converted Spaniards and their descendents. In 1609 Philip III expelled the remaining Moriscos (as they were called) in Spain.

    If the Moors were "half-Black," as Arthur Kemp claims, then mulattoes invented algebra and reintroduced Aristotle to Europe.

    The level of North African absorption is likely to have been exaggerated. First, it was propaganda spread by Protestant countries to tarnish the image of the Catholic Spaniards: this is known as the "black legend." Later, these same claims were used by racialists of Northern European extraction to express a generalized disliking of Mediterraneans. Lately I have understood the claims that SEs are "tainted" to be an expression of disliking (probably for aesthetic reasons) more than anything. So it can be understood as a poorly articulated way of expressing disapproval. Hence, the dumber the participants of a forum are, the more likely are such claims to surface.
    "The great African, the great ancient African! Here you have an expression, ancient African, which can be opposed to modern European, and which is at least of equal value. St. Augustine was African and he was of the ancient world; so was Tertullian. And why should we not say: 'We must Africanize ourselves ancientwise,' or 'We must ancientize ourselves Africanwise?'"

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    Post Re: Spanish and Portugese Racial Types

    Quote Originally Posted by galvez
    Typically this is a claim made by nonscholars and individuals who really don't understand the phenotypic diversity among Europeans. Swarthy Mediterraneans have been in Europe since at least Neolithic times.

    The Moors who invaded Spain were initially Berbers and Arabs (not Blacks), and undoubtedly some absorption took place. Some of the Moorish leaders even took blonde Galician women as wives and thus, over generations, blue eyes were common among the caliphs. Towards the end of Muslim rule in Spain, the vast majority of Moors were actually converted Spaniards and their descendents. In 1609 Philip III expelled the remaining Moriscos (as they were called) in Spain.

    If the Moors were "half-Black," as Arthur Kemp claims, then mulattoes invented algebra and reintroduced Aristotle to Europe.

    The level of North African absorption is likely to have been exaggerated. First, it was propaganda spread by Protestant countries to tarnish the image of the Catholic Spaniards: this is known as the "black legend." Later, these same claims were used by racialists of Northern European extraction to express a generalized disliking of Mediterraneans. Lately I have understood the claims that SEs are "tainted" to be an expression of disliking (probably for aesthetic reasons) more than anything. So it can be understood as a poorly articulated way of expressing disapproval. Hence, the dumber the participants of a forum are, the more likely are such claims to surface.
    Swarthy Mediterraneans have been in Europe since at least Neolithic times.
    We can say for sure that "Swarthy Arab looking Mediterraneans" a la Banderas have been in Iberia since PALEOLITHIC times because such types are also found among Basques who are genetically the purest Europeans. The following individuals(which would not be considered white by some people) have lesser Middle-Eastern and North African ancestry as the blondest Swede:











    The Moors who invaded Spain were initially Berbers and Arabs (not Blacks), and undoubtedly some absorption took place.
    You mean some absorbation of "Moorish" blood by Christian Spaniards took place?

    "The newly defined HG25.2 originated on a HG25.1 background. Haplogroup 25.2 is very common only in Northern Africa, and most likely originated in the Berbers of Northwestern Africa within the last few thousand years. Its recent origin and high frequency in North Africa make it an excellent marker to detect recent gene flow to Iberia and Southern Europe"

    Haplogroup 25.2

    Moroccan Berber......71,0%
    Lombardy..................5,6%
    France.......................4,1%
    Asturias.....................2,2%
    Andalusia..................1,6%

    "Human Y-chromosome variation in the western Mediterranean area implications for the peopling of the region"

    Hg25.2 indicates post-neolithic gene flow from Northwestafrica. If Spaniards would have absorbed Moorish blood we should expect at least a higher % of this marker in Spain. But that's not the case. So according to genetic evidence we can say Spaniards DID NOT absorbed ANY Moorish blood.

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