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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    This is an accomplishment?
    Yes, actually, unless if you consider a totally fractured and inefficient state where local rulers are supreme leaders each over their own square kilometer to be a good thing.

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    Yes, actually, unless if you consider a totally fractured and inefficient state where local rulers are supreme leaders each over their own square kilometer to be a good thing.
    I consider a state in which authority is delegated to local levels, where people are permitted to retain individual and local autonomy, to be preferable to centralization. Even the Romans acknowledged this.
    [sarcasm]Let's create a centralized world, while we're at it. To hell with unique cultures and biodiversity.[/sarcasm]
    A centralized and even totalitarian state is a means only to restore Order, not an end in itself, as such a state stiffles freedom, thereby hindering creativity and culture. Furthermore, a centralized state can collapse quite easily. Centralization did not succeed in restoring Order, however. France failed.
    Out of life's school of war...

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    a Nation which manages to propagate eating of frogs, originally due to starvation, as somehow classy and noble pursuit earns applaudes. :food-smil

    My choice twixt the only true powers, G-B and Germany is Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkele14
    a Nation which manages to propagate eating of frogs, originally due to starvation, as somehow classy and noble pursuit earns applaudes. :food-smil

    My choice twixt the only true powers, G-B and Germany is Germany.
    As opposed to the sheapstomache people eat in Britain? Don't forget to eat some faggots and spotted dick as well when you're visiting the country .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    I consider a state in which authority is delegated to local levels, where people are permitted to retain individual and local autonomy, to be preferable to centralization. Even the Romans acknowledged this.
    [sarcasm]Let's create a centralized world, while we're at it. To hell with unique cultures and biodiversity.[/sarcasm]
    A centralized and even totalitarian state is a means only to restore Order, not an end in itself, as such a state stiffles freedom, thereby hindering creativity and culture. Furthermore, a centralized state can collapse quite easily. Centralization did not succeed in restoring Order, however. France failed.
    Feudalism didn't lead to local authonomy. Instead of one big shark there were 50 small pirhanas. The amount of self determination for the commoner didn't change one bit. Feudalism just had more powerful nobles.

    France was also far more ordely than the German states, which were always kicking eachother's teeth in.

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    Well, I guess the Scandianvian countries are ruled out, because of their size... so I have to go for Germany in philosophy, technology and music. Their technological prowess is clearly shown in the many advances they made during the war, despite the massive bombing and supply issues. I mean, a huge amount of American technology (particularly military) is based off of equipment and technology captured by the Americans after the war. Heck, von Braun was the man responsible for sending America to the moon.
    I've often wondered where the world would have been technologically, had that pesky war not destroyed Germany.

    Norway isn't to be scoffed at either, at least when it comes to writers, composers, artists and explorers. We have Ibsen, Bjørnson and Holberg, Edvard Grieg and Ole Bull, and of course Kittelsen, Tidemand, Gude and Munch.
    Then there's Amundsen, Nansen and the late Thorburn Heyerdahl.
    The invention of the paper clip, and the cheese cutting device also proves we have some impressive industrial and technological capacities as well.

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    Ok, we're talking about the "greatest European nation". What do we mean by "nation" here? Are we talking about an ethno-culture/tribe? A political state? A geographical area? Trying to apply the "nation", in the modern sense of the term, will not work. Also we have to know what criteria we're looking for and, of course, for different tribes the priorities will be different. For Italians, Italy is the greatest; for Germans it's Germany. This is kind of obvious but it needs pointing out.

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    If we take population size into account, the answer is glaringly obvious:

    For a relatively tiny nation, no-one has contributed more to European civilization than Scotland.

    Do these names ring any bells?:

    James Watt
    Adam Smith
    Alexander Graham Bell
    Alexander Fleming
    James Clerk Maxwell

    Scotland makes up only 0.2% of world population, yet these five individuals (and some others) are among the most influential persons who have ever lived.

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