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    Without a doubt, greater Germany gets my nod for philosophy, music, statecraft, science and racial beauty. But England for poetry, the Netherlands for typography, and Belgium for waffles. If you think I'm belittling Belgium, then you have never had a Belgian waffle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    Science: most great achievements were the product of Germans. The English had Newton and...--that's about it. Aside from Newton, Einstein, de Broglie, and Compton, all other great scientific discoveries were German.
    Quite the overstatement there. I'll withdraw from the discussion to make room for others as this will go nowhere anyway, but you should look into the development of the scientific method...
    Literature: Shakespeare? I'll trump that with a Goethe.
    I'll see your Goethe and raise you a King James Bible... There really isn't much competition in this area, especially on a per capita basis...

    Btw a good book to read for background, if you haven't, is Charles Murray's Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences. There's been consensus in this area for a while, but this is a pretty recent and thorough account.

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    you should look into the development of the scientific method
    The scientific method has more to do with philosophy and logic than science. It's hardly a discovery.

    I'll see your Goethe and raise you a King James Bible... There really isn't much competition in this area, especially on a per capita basis...
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    Yes, because the value of something is as great as how many copies are sold. Based on this logic, one would have to argue that Eminem's "music" is superior to Beethoven's.
    Plus, the KJ Bible is merely a translation of Jewish writings.

    Btw a good book to read for background, if you haven't, is Charles Murray's Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences. There's been consensus in this area for a while, but this is a pretty recent and thorough account.
    I'll look into it and respond to some of your comments regarding the issues in this thread that arose in another thread tomorrow.
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    Yes, because the value of something is as great as how many copies are sold. Based on this logic, one would have to argue that Eminem's "music" is superior to Beethoven's.
    I was referring to the general comparison between countries, and the population of England...

    Plus, the KJ Bible is merely a translation of Jewish writings.
    But a great literary achievement nonetheless.

    I'll look into it and respond to some of your comments regarding the issues in this thread that arose in another thread tomorrow.
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    Tough question. My first thought was that the German countries (I count all of them except Austria as "Germany") always have been superior through innovativeness, craftsmanship and so on, mainly during the latter part of the last millenia. But then again, Great Britain and the Netherlands was once the great innovators of Europe, starting the Industrial Revolution, being superior at sea and so on. And yet France introduced on of the most important innovations ever: The metric system. So I'm having a hard time deciding, but I'll go with Germany.

    If the question was "Which European country with the toughest conditions is the greatest in terms of achievements", the answer should of course be: Sweden, Sweden, Sweden.
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    I didn't even know I posted this thread. : :bier:

    I say it's a coin toss between Great Britain and Germany. As these are the two countries who contributed the most to the industrial revolution.

    A list of inventors and inventions that have revolutionized the modern world as we know it would both be very long indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    I didn't even know I posted this thread. : :bier:
    There is 2 things you should not do while being drunk; Driving a car and posting to internet forums :annoysigr


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louhi
    There is 2 things you should not do while being drunk; Driving a car and posting to internet forums :annoysigr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    1 White Russian.
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    : How big were your drinks? :biggrin:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luh_Windan
    Quite the overstatement there. I'll withdraw from the discussion to make room for others as this will go nowhere anyway, but you should look into the development of the scientific method...

    I'll see your Goethe and raise you a King James Bible... There really isn't much competition in this area, especially on a per capita basis...

    Btw a good book to read for background, if you haven't, is Charles Murray's Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences. There's been consensus in this area for a while, but this is a pretty recent and thorough account.
    King James Bible an accomplishment? I suppose the German speaking lands were deficient a bible then....? ..where did the Printing Press that made this English publishing accomplishment possible come from?

    Quote Originally Posted by jcs
    Industry: yeah.
    Science: most great achievements were the product of Germans. The English had Newton and...--that's about it. Aside from Newton, Einstein, de Broglie, and Compton, all other great scientific discoveries were German.
    Literature: Shakespeare? I'll trump that with a Goethe.
    ... even Newton's famous work in physics and astronomy was largely dependent Johannas Kepler, and Gottfried Leibniz's work in mathematics accomplished the same things first, though Newton is remembered.

    A big problem is Anglo-American-centric education, which often overlooks the accomplishments on the continent, unless they are French, and glorifies the first instance of an accomplishment in England or America. I would say that this makes the Anglo-American spin-doctoring & copyrighting mechanisms used to 'borrow' continental discoveries, and legitimize their incorporation into English or American patents in this cultural area seem to be ahead of the other countries mentioned. :icon12:

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