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    Can Northern Europe's Low Birth Rate Be Remedied?

    Yes we all know low birth rate is a problem facing Northern Europe. This combined with uncontroled immigration and movements of people's will be the end of Northern Europe was we know it.

    Can Northern Europe's low birth rate be remedied? If so how?

    I think there is still hope. As recently as the 1970s Northern European controls across the board had positive population growth numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Yes we all know low birth rate is a problem facing Northern Europe. This combined with uncontroled immigration and movements of people's will be the end of Northern Europe was we know it.

    Can Northern Europe's low birth rate be remedied? If so how?

    I think there is still hope. As recently as the 1970s Northern European controls across the board had positive population growth numbers.
    [One little thing..]

    Social scientists claim that the decline in birthrate is due to social and economic changes, so since many of us would like to see changes to various governments anyway, hypothetically a friendlier government in the near future could restructure the social and economic pressures to be advantageous to reproduce above simple replacement. Say for example, one thing could be a simple tax structure change:

    • - 2.1 children (statistical replacement level) or less = no Family Tax Benefit.

    • - 3-5 children = standard Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Above 5 children = reduced Family Tax Benefit *

    • - Family w/ both parents high above average IQ, or family history of great longevity, etc, target family size shifted upward, or extra Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Family w/ one or more parents with hereditary disadvantages, low IQ, or diabetes, etc.. target family size shifted downward, or reduced Family Tax Benefit.


    • * some work would be needed to make sure individual families did not overdo it - determine ideal average family size + 1 child, or something.

    • ** Assume, that singles (Single childless people past the age of 30) have received resources from a society reliant upon a stable or growing population, therefore they get the highest tax rate (penalty) though it should not be phrased as such, rather they are helping give back to their society through financial means in lieu of contributing biologically to the next generation. This would help subsidize those households attaining the target family size to enjoy the lowest taxes, possibly owing zero on good years.


    --> Just an idea. People should ultimately have families because they fall in love, and decide they can make a relationship last, but subsidizing family households would not hurt, to help those who would otherwise have only felt they could afford 1 or 2 children to feel they could afford more.

    /Ultimately it seems irresponsible to me to come from a line of ancestors who underwent hardship to have families who survived much harsher conditions than those of the modern day, and then to 'live for yourself', given that modern people take for granted all of the benefits dependent upon a living society they have received in order to become a healthy educated adult.

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    As soon as we get pro-White governments.

    We are about the wealthiest region in the world, we can easily afford it to support working-class families with several children better.

    It's quite simply a matter of will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Can Northern Europe's low birth rate be remedied? If so how?
    All of Europe's problems have the same origin. Fix that, and the birth rate will normalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoclassical
    All of Europe's problems have the same origin. Fix that, and the birth rate will normalize.
    Elaborate, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter
    [One little thing..]

    Social scientists claim that the decline in birthrate is due to social and economic changes, so since many of us would like to see changes to various governments anyway, hypothetically a friendlier government in the near future could restructure the social and economic pressures to be advantageous to reproduce above simple replacement. Say for example, one thing could be a simple tax structure change:

    • - 2.1 children (statistical replacement level) or less = no Family Tax Benefit.

    • - 3-5 children = standard Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Above 5 children = reduced Family Tax Benefit *

    • - Family w/ both parents high above average IQ, or family history of great longevity, etc, target family size shifted upward, or extra Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Family w/ one or more parents with hereditary disadvantages, low IQ, or diabetes, etc.. target family size shifted downward, or reduced Family Tax Benefit.


    • * some work would be needed to make sure individual families did not overdo it - determine ideal average family size + 1 child, or something.

    • ** Assume, that singles (Single childless people past the age of 30) have received resources from a society reliant upon a stable or growing population, therefore they get the highest tax rate (penalty) though it should not be phrased as such, rather they are helping give back to their society through financial means in lieu of contributing biologically to the next generation. This would help subsidize those households attaining the target family size to enjoy the lowest taxes, possibly owing zero on good years.


    --> Just an idea. People should ultimately have families because they fall in love, and decide they can make a relationship last, but subsidizing family households would not hurt, to help those who would otherwise have only felt they could afford 1 or 2 children to feel they could afford more.

    /Ultimately it seems irresponsible to me to come from a line of ancestors who underwent hardship to have families who survived much harsher conditions than those of the modern day, and then to 'live for yourself', given that modern people take for granted all of the benefits dependent upon a living society they have received in order to become a healthy educated adult.
    Awesome! If what you said was implented I bet we'd see a Baby Boom like no other. As economical factors are one of the main reasons why Nords tend to keep their famalies small.

    A Nordic Government that had the best interests of it's people in mind should do all what you said. It would benefit the people in countless ways. The bad Economy in Scandinavia I believe can be traced to low birth rates, high taxes, and a welfare system that is being Leeched by Foreigners.

    If all the money the Scandinavian governments spent on Foreign refugees and their famalies were given to Remedy the low birth rates that plague the North lands the problem would be fixed within a few years.

    I'd add giving the mother more Maternal leave. I don't think that's a problem in Scandinavia or the European countries but it's a real problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leathertongue
    As soon as we get pro-White governments.

    We are about the wealthiest region in the world, we can easily afford it to support working-class families with several children better.

    It's quite simply a matter of will.
    Yes Scandinavia has the potential to support a population many times as large and still be a nice place to live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Awesome! ....

    I'd add giving the mother more Maternal leave. I don't think that's a problem in Scandinavia or the European countries but it's a real problem here.
    Thanks

    With a large family, a mother (or in some cases a father) should have the option of being a stay-at-home parent – at the very least subsidizing this demographic change should also easily provide for compensating a woman’s employer to keep her position open for her if she wishes to return to work but take an extended Maternal leave.

    That was just one moderate idea that came to mind. As others have commented, educated Nordic populations listen to the wisdom that humans are overproducing, and also attempt to be financially responsible. It is a trait to want to give the same or more to ones children as was available to the parents among the North Folk. However, as others have noted in other threads, if only the educated North European types listen and try, as is their earnest natured, to do ‘right thing’, then it is not fair. It results in the current situation where the Northern Europeans are creating a surplus, which rightly should go to their own children first, followed by their kin-folk, but instead people in distant lands reproduce at irresponsible levels, and have ecological catastrophes or wars, and export their excess population and their problems to the land whose people are able to mind their affairs, as well as contribute to the world through trade, art, and research. Basically, this injustice serves no one, the foreign peoples never are forced to deal with their own problems and evolve, the once prosperous host country is gradually eaten apart from within, and the basic logic of social progress, the cornerstone of civilization advancing, is turned on its head as it becomes ethnically advantageous for the foreign people to exist in perpetual crisis, and disadvantageous for the North Europeans to be stable and self-sustaining.

    /This is the Wisdom of the Fable of “The Ant and the Grasshopper” inverted.
    Aesop's Fables: The Ant and the Grasshopper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter
    [One little thing..]

    Social scientists claim that the decline in birthrate is due to social and economic changes, so since many of us would like to see changes to various governments anyway, hypothetically a friendlier government in the near future could restructure the social and economic pressures to be advantageous to reproduce above simple replacement. Say for example, one thing could be a simple tax structure change:

    • - 2.1 children (statistical replacement level) or less = no Family Tax Benefit.

    • - 3-5 children = standard Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Above 5 children = reduced Family Tax Benefit *

    • - Family w/ both parents high above average IQ, or family history of great longevity, etc, target family size shifted upward, or extra Family Tax Benefit.

    • - Family w/ one or more parents with hereditary disadvantages, low IQ, or diabetes, etc.. target family size shifted downward, or reduced Family Tax Benefit.


    • * some work would be needed to make sure individual families did not overdo it - determine ideal average family size + 1 child, or something.

    • ** Assume, that singles (Single childless people past the age of 30) have received resources from a society reliant upon a stable or growing population, therefore they get the highest tax rate (penalty) though it should not be phrased as such, rather they are helping give back to their society through financial means in lieu of contributing biologically to the next generation. This would help subsidize those households attaining the target family size to enjoy the lowest taxes, possibly owing zero on good years.

    Just a few days ago, some Slovenian politician proposed something along the same lines and was assailed by the media for putting forward proposals that would undermine freedom of choice, etc. This is what every other similar proposal in any other European country would be met with, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorostan
    Just a few days ago, some Slovenian politician proposed something along the same lines and was assailed by the media for putting forward proposals that would undermine freedom of choice, etc. This is what every other similar proposal in any other European country would be met with, I suppose.
    It is only civilization that has brought people the peace, advancement, and wealth that enable them to enjoy freedoms beyond those of the Stone Age, such as ina given instant breathing air or not being eaten by a giant bear. Civilization was created by responsibilities and freedoms, but mostly responsibilities; citizens of the West may choke themselves on their precious freedoms, if they evaluate freedom, responsibility, and duty, and hold freedom to be paramount.

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