View Poll Results: What Group Do You Primarly Identify With?

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  • Nordish

    2 2.90%
  • Nordic

    7 10.14%
  • Germanic

    15 21.74%
  • Scandinavian

    4 5.80%
  • Celtic

    2 2.90%
  • Celto-Germanic

    12 17.39%
  • Slavic

    2 2.90%
  • White

    2 2.90%
  • Northern European

    7 10.14%
  • On Basis of Nationality (please specify)

    15 21.74%
  • Other (please specify)

    1 1.45%
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    Post AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Prussian, apart from the south-east of Britain, the British dont have strong historical links with the mainland. We just have cultural affinities with some mainland nations, which are mostly Germanic.
    Atlanto I am not saying there are strong links, the cultural affinities is the similarities I speak off in the loose sense of Europe.
    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    This is what I mean about Europe being meaningless, Prussian. I can see no reason to prefer a southern European over a Syrian, based on their cultural differences from the northern forests.
    Well possibly from your perspective is it, but I believe their is value in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Id rather we werent included as Europeans, because MOST British dont want to be European. And in Europe, we only have kinship with nations that have a related heritage, the rest are entirely foreign.
    I realise you do, but you think I am determining this by direct links, I am not.
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    Post Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    In Italy and Spain, the northern regions have more historical ties with the north than the southern regions do, they are more Mediterranean. I dont know how strong Celtic influences are in northern Iberia, but in Italy the north has very strong cultural links with Germany.

    I would imagine that most of the intergrading into Spain would be accross Languedoc, therefore north of the Pyrenees. And the Languedoc was still very pre-Celtic when the Romans conquered the south of Gaul.

    I know that Catalonia is divided between France and Spain.
    Yes, it's true. Northern italy, has two general tendencies fron North-Central Europe : Germanic influence (stronger in north east whom has ties with Ausria and southern Germany) and Celtic (stronger in north-west whom has ties with central France). In one word, north italy has more ties with Central Europe than with mediterranean area

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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian
    Well possibly from your perspective is it, but I believe their is value in it.
    I can show youre wrong by mentioning Roman attitudes. If you were talking to historians from the Roman Empire, it would have made no sense if you said Greeks or Hellenised Syrians shared less links together, than Greeks did with Germany or Ireland outside the Roman Empire.

    Areas of Europe have cultural and historical links with areas outside Europe. How are these links weaker than those within Europe?
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Thursday, June 9th, 2005 at 06:32 PM.

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    Post Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian
    I personally reject the use of "white" to define the European people or at least people's of European ancestory in the case of colonials. But what must be kept in mind that in a loose sense it does have some validity, because obviously people of the of the native & local types found in Europe are indeed in a loose construct deemed as "white", but as for "white" as a purely a construct in the context you seem to use it as a broad means to accommodate not only Europid types but also the broader Caucasoid types of Northern Africa & the middle east in general based on ultra-tolerant pseudo-racial disillusions which incorporates a simplistic at best egalitarian based dogma.

    For what it's worth, I tend to use "White" in the traditional Anglo-Saxon sense, in which usage it is roughly synonymous with "Nordish."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    Besides, neither do Cornish, Manx, Scots, English and Welsh desire to be governed by Whitehall and they share also duplicitious feelings about resorting under a British crown; Britishness stands in the way to actively seek out closer cultural exchange and cooperation with kindred peoples on the continent, however the Celtic peoples in Britain affirm more generously those ties, even with France, whereas the English are constantly doubting, resisting and flouting in their attachment to the very same fossilized emblematic structures that hindered an openess and collaboration with their Saxon and Saxon-Frisian Frankish relations in North Germany, The Nederlands and Belgium.

    This parochial attitude lead twice to fatal strifes, millions of young men slaughtered and families dismembered.
    Episodes forgotten in some "British" and "Belgian" schoolbooks on history:
    The former county of Flanders, which was located on the North Sea and was often linked to both Belgium and the Netherlands, provided Britain with a large number of immigrants during the medieval period. They became invaluable contributors to the development of Britain and contributed more to British industrial development than any other single group. The Flemish began to arrive in Britain at the time of the Norman Conquest of England in 1066. Walter Bec of Flanders led a contingent of his countrymen, who fought as allies of Duke William of Normandy during the Battle of Hastings. Following the Norman victory, many of the Flemish were granted lands upon which they settled permanently. Many more Flemish migrants arrived in 1107, after a large part of Flanders had been flooded. Some of them went to Northumbria, but were later transferred to the Welsh county of Pembroke.

    During the 12th and 13th centuries, Flanders was one of England's most important trading partners and political allies. The people of Flanders were unable to support themselves through agriculture, so they turned to industry. They came to dominate the cloth industry of Europe and imported large quantities of fine British wool, since their own wool was too coarse. England also exported other commodities to Europe, especially grain, tin, and coal. In return, the English imported Flemish cloth.

    After his accession in 1154, King Henry II banished the Flemish and other foreigners, since mercenaries under the command of William of Ypres had fought on the side of his rival, King Stephen, during the recent civil wars. In 1215, the terms of the Magna Carta again officially expelled Flemish settlers in England. More official expulsions followed in 1270 and 1305. However, these prohibitions were never strictly enforced.

    During the 13th and 14th centuries, the Flemish were given royal permission to visit England to buy wool. A large number of these visitors remained in Britain, where they dominated the trades of paper-making, publishing, glass-blowing, glove-making, and weaving. So many remained that one contemporary observer noted that there were five races in Britain: Scots, Welsh, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and Flemish.

    The migrants that settled in England and Scotland became ardent patriots. During the storming of Berwick in 1296, Flemish defenders barricaded themselves in the Red Hall and stubbornly fought to the death. Nevertheless, the reputation of the Flemish as clever and industrious workmen occasionally aroused local jealousy. During the peasant revolt led by Wat Tyler in 1318, for example, many who failed to say the words "bread and cheese" without a foreign accent were denounced as Flemish and executed. Despite this, the hard-working Flemish prospered and spread throughout Britain. They became particularly numerous in the Scottish county of Lanark and the Welsh county of Glamorgan, and in Ireland, where they were well-known by the 13th century.
    http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s...wledgebase.htm

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    Post AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: What Group Do You Identify Yo

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I can show youre wrong by mentioning Roman attitudes. If you were talking to historians from the Roman Empire, it would have made no sense if you said Greeks or Hellenised Syrians shared less links together, than Greeks did with Germany or Ireland outside the Roman Empire.

    Areas of Europe have cultural and historical links with areas outside Europe. How are these links weaker than those within Europe?
    I said I see value in it, I did not state you have too.
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    Post Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    I´m German, I´m Germanic, I´m European and I´m White. *g*

    Why no multiple choice?

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    Post Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    I'm primarily Nordic/Scandinavian.

    Sometimes I am also Västgöte(/Gaut/Goth, a regional identity), Swedish, White, European, Western, Germanic and Aryan. It depends on the context.

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    Post Re: What Group Do You Identify Yourself With?

    Above all, Germanic.

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