View Poll Results: What form of military service do you support?

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  • Universal military service(ex. Switzerland)

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  • Professional/Volunteer(ex. UK, USA)

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Thread: What Form of Military Service Should We Support?

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    That's the problem with people - as a soldier, you ARE a fighter, NOT a thinker, it's not upto you to decide whether or not the War is justified - you have to get out and fight immediatly. That's why it's often said that the less intelligent can make better combat soldiers...
    There is no reason women should be in the 'combat area' of an army when there are still men around who can be conscripted - facts are facts, in 9 situations out of 10, men will be stronger, and armies for the most part are about strength with the intelligence and importance of military strategy being placed in the hands of the superior officers etc.
    I believe a year or 2 in the army would strengthen a weak person's character aswell as their body, hopefully instilling a sense of pride and nationalism into them along the way.

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Personally I do not like how our military system works and how you get into one of the branches. First off the recruiters exaggerate or even somewhat lie telling you what job your going to get(the one you want). You have to score a certain amount on the ASVAB to get the job you want or they say to you you'll have to do this job and this job,etc. to get to that point. At the time I was going to join the Navy. I think it was 3 years ago now I got my job and everything but it was not what I wanted. They gave me a missle mechanic job and I wanted a linguistic job but if you see the tests they give to see if you can adapt to foreign languages well in my mind is irrealivant. It is some sort of code and I can learn foreign languages quite quickly if taught well. I know many European language pronounciations but do not speak some of the languages. Well it turns out I am denied to Navy anyway because I smoked pot like 2 days before.(no longer use it) and failed the drug test. You can only fail the drug test three times or you cannot join any branch of service. I also hate the fact if you are on meds,during bootcamp you cannot take them which I do not understand what so ever. Perhaps it is for safety reasons just in case people exchange them to others,etc. That is my thoughts on the military pretty much. If I were to join again I would probably join the marines though. All branches are identical pretty much. The training is somewhat similar and the only thing different really is the amount of time you stay at bootcamps with each branch.

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scathach
    That's the problem with people - as a soldier, you ARE a fighter, NOT a thinker, it's not upto you to decide whether or not the War is justified - you have to get out and fight immediatly. That's why it's often said that the less intelligent can make better combat soldiers...
    "Wise warriors are mightier than strong ones, and those who have knowledge than those who have strength; for by wise guidance you can wage war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory."
    --Proverbs 24:5-6


    There is no reason women should be in the 'combat area' of an army when there are still men around who can be conscripted - facts are facts, in 9 situations out of 10, men will be stronger, and armies for the most part are about strength with the intelligence and importance of military strategy being placed in the hands of the superior officers etc.
    I agree. In fact there was a study done at West Point comparing Female and Male cadets. The female cadets were only able to suceed only if they had unequal standards. But if the standards were equal, the female cadets were far behind the male cadets. During a 3 mile run, the male cadets were so far ahead of the women they could barely see them.

    I believe a year or 2 in the army would strengthen a weak person's character aswell as their body, hopefully instilling a sense of pride and nationalism into them along the way.
    I 120% agree. Hey Scathach, you should read Book I of Machiavelli's "the Art of War", because he talks about how the importance of military service to concepts of citizenship. In fact in his mind, the citizen and soldier are inseperable!

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Quote Originally Posted by MVSSOLINI MIT VNS
    Personally I do not like how our military system works and how you get into one of the branches. First off the recruiters exaggerate or even somewhat lie telling you what job your going to get(the one you want). You have to score a certain amount on the ASVAB to get the job you want or they say to you you'll have to do this job and this job,etc. to get to that point. At the time I was going to join the Navy. I think it was 3 years ago now I got my job and everything but it was not what I wanted. They gave me a missle mechanic job and I wanted a linguistic job but if you see the tests they give to see if you can adapt to foreign languages well in my mind is irrealivant. It is some sort of code and I can learn foreign languages quite quickly if taught well. I know many European language pronounciations but do not speak some of the languages. Well it turns out I am denied to Navy anyway because I smoked pot like 2 days before.(no longer use it) and failed the drug test. You can only fail the drug test three times or you cannot join any branch of service. I also hate the fact if you are on meds,during bootcamp you cannot take them which I do not understand what so ever. Perhaps it is for safety reasons just in case people exchange them to others,etc. That is my thoughts on the military pretty much. If I were to join again I would probably join the marines though. All branches are identical pretty much. The training is somewhat similar and the only thing different really is the amount of time you stay at bootcamps with each branch.
    I agree with this. The way the military is organized today is absolute nonsense!

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Professional military service (male). Volunteers as reservists (male). Mobilisation of the general populace during impending crisis situations (male).

    Continual arm, close combat, and self-defense training for all citizens (male and female), but this should be done in schools (with assistance of army and martial arts instructors). Much more emphasis on continual physical exercise in schools.

    Only officers (three to four years military academy) and officers of the reserve (a year voluntarily & continual exercises) should be eligible to be enfranchised. As a minimum requirement.
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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    I think I agree with Njord on this one, though a Universalistic service isn't such a bad thing.

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    "Wise warriors are mightier than strong ones, and those who have knowledge than those who have strength; for by wise guidance you can wage war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory."
    --Proverbs 24:5-6



    If we have an army of wise soldiers, all weaker and smaller than women, in hand to hand combat with an army of sturdy, strong but not exactly well read soldiers, who do you think will win?

    I agree. In fact there was a study done at West Point comparing Female and Male cadets. The female cadets were only able to suceed only if they had unequal standards. But if the standards were equal, the female cadets were far behind the male cadets. During a 3 mile run, the male cadets were so far ahead of the women they could barely see them.

    That really is no surprise. Physically, men and women are simply incomparable. It's a pity PC levels have risen so high as to allow uncapable [for the most part atleast] women into the army when they should obviously be at home watching, oh, say, spongebob squarepants?

    I 120% agree. Hey Scathach, you should read Book I of Machiavelli's "the Art of War", because he talks about how the importance of military service to concepts of citizenship. In fact in his mind, the citizen and soldier are inseperable!

    I may do so when I have time, thanks!

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    I support the first option with a combination of proffessional soldiers!
    Military service is a nice experiance harded both body and spirit!
    The idea of armed citizen of Sparta and Athena and the peasant soldier of 3rd Reich is the ideal forms of military service!
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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    I like the idea of a civilian army ready to defend the home country in the cities and countryside. It would force people to attend a military training program(only with how to survive and use weapons) when they are 16. male and female. It would be organized as a civilian army, that in times of war would be activiated for defense.

    Becuase, even IF the enemy manages to capture us, occupation will be too much of a bitch, and the invaders will leave due to almost 0 popular support for the invader, and constant guerilla tactics to oust them.

    Therefore, the target country will win, no matter how grim it looks, the only way then for the enemy to win, is to eliminate the target countrie's population. Which probably wont happen.

    In theory, I think we shouldn't have to conscript anyone. Women should also be allowed combat rolls too. All volunteer army. If we do good enough job instilling nationalism, that should not be a problem.

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    Post Re: What form of military service should we support?

    Also, conscripted troops fight worse than volunteer/proffessional troops.

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