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    Ęsir - People of Asia?

    According to Norse Mythology: A guide to the Gods, Heroes, Rituals and Beliefs, by John Lindow, Snorri Sturluson presents the Ęsir as meaning "People of Asia."

    "...Although the group that creates and orders the cosmos is often refered to by words that can best be translated 'gods', the principal word, 'ęsir', is explicity by the most important medieval interpreter, Snorri Sturluson, as meaning 'People of Asia'..."
    Norse Mythology
    John Lindow
    Oxford UP
    2001


    Now, I know that ęsir is the old norse word for 'gods'. This is clear. Does Asia have the same etymology as Įss (i.e. god)? Did the ancient people make a connection between the gods and the people from the east? It has been speculated the Odin was originally a real person and was from Eurasia and his legend came to be mythology. Thor Heyerdahl - Jakten på Odin

    What do you think?

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    I say it is pure rubbish, I do not believe our people ever believed the gods were real humans. They might have came down in disguise like that of man, but never man. Then it comes to the paintings, secupltures and what not of the gods, if our people believed there was a connection between the gods and the east, why would these things protray the gods as being Nordish decent and not Mongrol?... Why would our people worship a race of man whom was culturally, physically, and mentally inferior? ... For if it wasn't for the whites of these lands which had power, and lived like royality, the peoples of the east would not be the same or anywhere equal to ours.

    But lets just say if the gods were considered man, it is said that if a god would mate with mankind, for that point on that god would be that of man and loose his godly powers, just as what happened with Valkyries when they would fall in love with mankind.

    What I believe that got confused is that the people's of the east CULTURE was created by our people. ...and some are accually long lost decentants of our people, Just like the Ainu you will find buried in north Japan, they are of the Europiod race of man, thos some of their traditions and culture is the same as ours. Just like the Nordish bodies found in China, the middle east, and other non-white neighorhoods... Some where along the lines the connections were cut off and forgotten. Most likely the aborginal peoples of these lands killed off the Nordish and mixed just as in all lands they do. It has happened in Eqypt, Greece, and will soon happen to the world.

    http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhai...mieschina.html
    http://white-history.com/hwr6a.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eikžyrnir
    Now, I know that ęsir is the old norse word for 'gods'. This is clear. Does Asia have the same etymology as Įss (i.e. god)? Did the ancient people make a connection between the gods and the people from the east? It has been speculated the Odin was originally a real person and was from Eurasia and his legend came to be mythology. Thor Heyerdahl - Jakten på Odin

    What do you think?
    Ok, first of all, I don't think, I know The word Ęsir does not at all mean Asia, what Snorre wrote was what we today call folk-etymology, which has nothing to do with facts. The word Ęsir we find cognates throughout Indo-European space and time. In the Vedas we have the įsura, avestian (old iranic) we have ahura ("lord (divinized)" hence the Ahura-Mazdha), in Hettite hassu "king", norse ęsir derives from germanic *anzuz, all of these words have the meaning "king, lord or god". Today scholars believe the word to be related to the Hittite verb hās/hass "engender, produce, beget".

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    Watkins, C. (1995). How to Kill a Dragon : Aspects of Indo-European Poetics. Oxford: Oxfor University Press.

    To another issue, THor Heyerdahl. I think this is one of the most interesting norwegians of modern times, a pretty great fellow. BUT, his two books "Ingen grenser" and "Jakten på Odin" are ........ I don't have words for how worthless they are. Everything you read there you can just forget. Heyerdahl has simply overlooked 100 years of scholary work in the field, and that is totally unacceptable.

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    Iwould think that Aesir would be related to the english word 'air', didn't the Aesir occupy the more lofty aspects of the universe?

    I think the people of asia would be more equated with trolls and other such beasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draugr
    Iwould think that Aesir would be related to the english word 'air', didn't the Aesir occupy the more lofty aspects of the universe?

    I think the people of asia would be more equated with trolls and other such beasts.
    Air? No it doesn't mean air. Just read what I wrote. In fact, I read further on in the source mentioned above, and it seems as the "king/lord/god/engender/beget etc." is a metaphor for the primal meaning, which is suggested to be "reins/chariotteer". This is attested in Irish and Indic sources. In other words, the ansuz/ahura/asura is the charrioteer/rein-holder of the crowd - the leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draugr
    Iwould think that Aesir would be related to the english word 'air', didn't the Aesir occupy the more lofty aspects of the universe?

    I think the people of asia would be more equated with trolls and other such beasts.

    :...had you said this in seriousness?



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    Quote Originally Posted by vegard
    Ok, first of all, I don't think, I know The word Ęsir does not at all mean Asia, what Snorre wrote was what we today call folk-etymology, which has nothing to do with facts. The word Ęsir we find cognates throughout Indo-European space and time. In the Vedas we have the įsura, avestian (old iranic) we have ahura ("lord (divinized)" hence the Ahura-Mazdha), in Hettite hassu "king", norse ęsir derives from germanic *anzuz, all of these words have the meaning "king, lord or god"...
    Hei på deg, bror. What know you of a connect twixt the germanic term *anzuz (germansk navn Aza eller Óss på islandsk) and the kommunikasjon/klokskap rune, Odins rune, of frųys ętt *ansur -også kjent som ansuz-?



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    Snorri Sturluson was a Christian man, that must be remembered when reading Snorra-Edda. In the old poems, Hįvamįl, Völuspį etc. nothing is mentioned about the Ęsir coming from Asia. Snorri probably got confused because the Old Icelandic word for Asia was Įsķį and Ęsir in singular was įs. That is probably where this comes from.

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    I don't believe the relatively-similar sounds of Aesir and Asia in some Germanic languages means they're related...I've heard it said that "Asia" ultimately derives from Greek (through Latin), and refers to the east (possibly from "akkad" or something, referring to the rising of the sun).

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    I'm not saying that the words įs and Įsķį are related, not at all, just that Snorri might've been confused at the time of writing Snorra-Edda. Snorra-Edda is written around 1220 but most of the poems from the Prose-Edda and other sources are much older and thus more reliable, considering that Christianity had been the main religion for 200 years when Snorra-Edda was written but įsatrś was the main religion when Hįvamįl, Völuspį etc. were composed.

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