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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    the sad thing is that ALL the white people have to deal with the hatred that USA has caused towards the white race in general.
    Surely you are being a bit sarcastic with that, no? It was Spain that held all of South, Central, and even a good deal of North America for three hundred years up to 1820, not the USA. It was France that along with Britain that held the bulk of Africa up to the 1950's, not the USA. Italy had Ethiopia, Somolia, Libya, as colonies up to 1940, not the USA. The Dutch held Indonesia, not the USA. Belgium had the Congo, not the USA. The Portuguese held Angola and Mozambique up to 1975, not the USA. Russia over a period of several hundred years conquered Mongolia and Siberia, not the USA. So, these non-Europeon peoples conquered by Occidental powers blame the USA for their problems? I do not think so. The initial statement is about as preposterous as if someone was to say that "ALL the white people have to deal with the hatred that France caused towards the white race in general" as if it was France alone that brought about this hatred from non-whites toward Europeons. That would be over the top. America and many Europeon states (or vice versa for that matter ;-)) had a hand in creating this hatred towards Europeons. :-)

    Fortunately, the Slavs and the Meds still hold to some self-respect in the USA, and especially in Europe.
    It's good to hear the Slavs and Meds do have that self respect, that is appropriate. Scandi ancestried people (such as myself) do as well in both USA and Europe. Lets hope all the Europeon types are preserved, the loss of any would be a disaster.
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    The irony is that it was Western European civilization, and especially the United States of America, that brought ideas of freedom to the colonized peoples of the modern world. The idea that "All men are created equal" was not invented by a Chinaman, an African, a Dakota, an Inuit, or a Mongol. (The only other multiracial socities I know about where equality possibly prevailed as official ideology were Islamic).

    Yes, the white man conquered all of these peoples. And now their descendents, pampered by Western education and standard of living, complain about mistreatment by the white man - as if these colored races hadn't been conquering, oppressing, and enslaving each other and themselves whenever they could since recorded history began.

    Now the white man is a guilt-ridden, apologetic politically correct shadow of himself, and the colored peoples feel they have lost their cultures om exchange for a spiritually bankrupt modern existence - and they are angry.

    I think the biggest mistake of Western expansion has been trying to convert the colored races to the ways of the civilized Christian white man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Talking about currently, Western Europeans and Scandinavians are the biggest racemixers, and this includes the men and women (the Greenlandic eskimos are largely infused with Nordic thanks to the male Danish settlers). Mediterraneans come in second for current racemixing trends but they are historically more disloyal and degenerate. Greco-Roman culture was pedophilic. South America, Mexico, the Phillipines, etc..

    And I'm talking about real people in interracial relationships, not PORN. East European pornstars in interracial porn aren't a great example (as if a British or Scandinavian girl is going to say "No, I won't have a black man's dick up my ass for thousands of dollars.") They'd rather do it for free, or in the case of Tiger Wood's fiancee some money and benefits.

    This is speculation from articles I've read and people I talked to. Of course AWAR doesn't want to believe his people (Meds? Uh.. why?) are bad, and Nordhammer doesn't want to think his people are bad.

    I'm not being insulting, I'm being honest. Northern Europeans are more liberal and open to interracial relationships. Who has travelled around Europe the most here? I'd guess volksdeutche has. Where do you see the most interracial relationships? My prediction is Britain first, then Scandinavia a close second, then France, then Holland and Germany...
    I have travelled in 8 countries in Europe (France, Germany, Switzerlans, Austria, Estonia, Finland, Sweden and Italy) and i confirm your ranking...
    religion is still in someway influential in the catholic med countries so the racemixing is a little less even if it's rising..
    It's not a coincidence that the most common and easy to accept race mixing here in italy is with latino-americans as they are catholic too..
    when the catholic religion will lose it's power we will have the same situation than in the Northern countries.
    Sad to say that in the east the situation is degenerationg too..

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Listen to Mr. Bigshot running his mouth again...

    The "USA" is not responsible for what other countries do. In many ways Britain, Germany, and other European countries are more totalitarian and liberal than America is. Don't be a crybaby, your country takes responsibility for what it does. And thanks to Europeans, Jews attained wealth and power there and migrated to America... so it all began with Europe.

    Considering the absolute racial disaster that Meds wrought in South America, I see no enlightening racialism coming from any Mediterranean source. Meds are tag-alongs at best. Where is the great Mediterranean racialism movement? Nowhere. The only big national and international racialist movements come from Nords, many in America. Even looking at the forums based on race, the Meds create nothing. Nords are at the top... a Nord created this forum. The Med you and others trail behind is apathetic to racialism, is an immigrant himself, and defends miscegenation as being positive, saying mongrels will still look Mediterranean.

    So keep running your mouth about Nords, while you suck up American and British culture and movies all day long, lust after our women, and live or want to live in our countries.
    Hey, americans are invading our countries with their cheap culture thanx to our greedy politicians.
    we didn't need it.
    honestly you look like an the uninvited guest that dares to complain about the menu here.
    Be sure that if our countries would be infested with mongrels and a single nordic country would be like an example for the purity for its blood i would be the first one here to give you credits.
    so where is the Nords superiority? show it to me with numbers..we have plenty of local racially aware activities and if you don't understand italian it's not a good reason to ignore them.
    Are white recialist the majority in a single (nords or meds) country?
    we are all in the same shit and honestly i don't understand why there's such an hatred with somebody that is white like you and shared with u at least a part of the path to civilisation as we know it.
    is just a matter of women??
    i am a little sick about this legend that meds prefer blondes.. i wonder where it came from. surely it happens that on holidays there are meds/nords couple but they are not the majority.. they surely stand out in a crowd as they are something "different" in some way.
    Damn i don't even remember a single italian guy that told me that he was crazy for nordic girls!

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    Surely you are being a bit sarcastic with that, no? It was Spain that held all of South, Central, and even a good deal of North America for three hundred years up to 1820, not the USA. It was France that along with Britain that held the bulk of Africa up to the 1950's, not the USA. Italy had Ethiopia, Somolia, Libya, as colonies up to 1940, not the USA. The Dutch held Indonesia, not the USA. Belgium had the Congo, not the USA. The Portuguese held Angola and Mozambique up to 1975, not the USA. Russia over a period of several hundred years conquered Mongolia and Siberia, not the USA. So, these non-Europeon peoples conquered by Occidental powers blame the USA for their problems? I do not think so. The initial statement is about as preposterous as if someone was to say that "ALL the white people have to deal with the hatred that France caused towards the white race in general" as if it was France alone that brought about this hatred from non-whites toward Europeons. That would be over the top. America and many Europeon states (or vice versa for that matter ;-)) had a hand in creating this hatred towards Europeons. :-)



    It's good to hear the Slavs and Meds do have that self respect, that is appropriate. Scandi ancestried people (such as myself) do as well in both USA and Europe. Lets hope all the Europeon types are preserved, the loss of any would be a disaster.
    I agree with u!
    No one is innocent and no one is the only scapegoat here..
    the 95% of the whites in any countries are liberal and willing to accept racemixing in some way.. i see just some individuals that stand out against this crowd of sheep without honor.
    Do we really need to look at who's best or the purest between us?

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Yeah. Meds never create anything. Why, those sad Romans were running around with plumbing and a written alphabet and modern roads while the pure Germanics were free to frolick in the forest fighting each other with spears. Italy and France have contributed more to European culture than most 'Nordish' countries combined. The only 'Nordish' countries that can compete with Italy and France culturally are Germany and Britain.
    The alphabet you use was created and refined by Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans.
    Don't be more of an ass than you already are. Look up the word context.

    The rest of your nonsense is just your typical regurgitated sht, so I won't bother responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladygoeth33
    Talking about currently, Western Europeans and Scandinavians are the biggest racemixers, and this includes the men and women (the Greenlandic eskimos are largely infused with Nordic thanks to the male Danish settlers).
    I was talking about current times.

    Mediterraneans come in second for current racemixing trends but they are historically more disloyal and degenerate. Greco-Roman culture was pedophilic.
    Greco-Roman culture covered a huge area with millions of peoples in hundreds of provinces, I'd like to see you provide some evidence about this 'padeophillic' practise being so widespread as you claim. Are we supposed to label ALL catholic people as pedophiles because some of the clergy is?

    South America, Mexico, the Phillipines, etc..
    Again, most were male sailors and soldiers. You all seem to forget that in those times people didn't have aeroplanes, they couldn't just pay a ticket and go to Philippines for sex tours with 13 year old girls and boys( like Nordish men do today ). These Mediterranean sailors and soldiers spent months travelling.

    The choice was either staying on a paradise island or sailing back for months upon months back to Europe. You'd be hard-pressed to REALLY find men who would take the second choice.

    I'm not being insulting, I'm being honest. Northern Europeans are more liberal and open to interracial relationships. Who has travelled around Europe the most here? I'd guess volksdeutche has. Where do you see the most interracial relationships? My prediction is Britain first, then Scandinavia a close second, then France, then Holland and Germany...
    Absolutely true. Add to that the capability of Slavs and Meds to be the most hospitable people, yet the only remaining to have a healthy dose of xenophobia.

    If a black man came to Serbia, he'd be treated like anyone else, like a welcomed guest, yet, if he wanted a woman, he'd have to locate a hooker.


    Of course AWAR doesn't want to believe his people (Meds? Uh.. why?) are bad, and Nordhammer doesn't want to think his people are bad.
    I'm not saying that anyone is bad. I'm just annoyed with people who support their elitism with their dirty imagination and the incredible capability to misinterpret facts. ( No, I'm not a 'Med', I'm just defending their position because the truth is on their side ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    The irony is that it was Western European civilization, and especially the United States of America, that brought ideas of freedom to the colonized peoples of the modern world. The idea that "All men are created equal" was not invented by a Chinaman, an African, a Dakota, an Inuit, or a Mongol. (The only other multiracial socities I know about where equality possibly prevailed as official ideology were Islamic).
    If you're thinking that somehow Americans INVENTED Freedom and Equality, you're very wrong.

    Now the white man is a guilt-ridden, apologetic politically correct shadow of himself, and the colored peoples feel they have lost their cultures om exchange for a spiritually bankrupt modern existence - and they are angry.
    White US man you mean, Nordish man, not Slavic or Mediterranean. We're free of political correctness. Your racism is only a reaction to the oppressions of the apologetic PC ways. We're the same as ever.

    Nothing genetic about it, simple cultural patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica
    I agree with u!
    No one is innocent and no one is the only scapegoat here..
    Do we really need to look at who's best or the purest between us?
    A lot of good stuff there!

    I do think we should not pretend there are not differences between our Europeon peoples (some good differences, some bad) but there's a way to handle that, one boorish, one civil. The boorish way is to make a point of bringing up the bad differences publicly and causing a stupid fight, the civil way is simply making a quiet note of the differences and talking about it with your own people privately; if its something only effecting the other people and doing no harm to your own people, and it's soemthing the other people do not want to hear, whats the point of bringing it up? Mutual respect is the way to go and allowing each of our peoples/countries to define who they are themselves, then respecting that. It's their country/people. It's the same way as between persons as between peoples.

    As to criticism....Criticism ought to be constructive (to build up another and then only if they are open) or, if to protect yourself you need to let the other know, otherwise it's bashing and does not help anyone, a wastes of energy.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    If you're thinking that somehow Americans INVENTED Freedom and Equality, you're very wrong.
    I didn't say it was Americans that invented it. I said that these concepts were realized *in the modern world* by Western people - i.e., white people.

    I also noted that many Islamic societies were racially egalitarian, something I think they deserve much credit for achieving, since their multiethnic societies (e.g. Almohad and Almoravid Spain) were incredibly creative and productive culturally and scientifically.

    My point is that Blacks in the USA are free because white men were willing to free them. Asians can come here and become part of American society - yet their own societies in Japan, China, and Korea are so xenophobic that they make the Klu Klux Klan look like the Rainbow Coaliition by comparison. The fact that they have the freedom to stand up and bitch about the white man, is because whites were and are willing to give them that power. Try that in Asia or Africa and see what happens. *That* is my point, and I think it's a good one.

    My other point (please see original post) was that all this "do-gooding" by whites in the USA and other places has caused nothing but problems for all parties involved. It has destroyed native cultures, and now it is destroying Western culture. If you'd read my original post, I think I made that pretty clear.

    [/QUOTE]
    White US man you mean, Nordish man, not Slavic or Mediterranean. We're free of political correctness. Your racism is only a reaction to the oppressions of the apologetic PC ways. We're the same as ever.

    Nothing genetic about it, simple cultural patterns.[/QUOTE]

    Before you label me as a racist, why don't you please read what I'm saying more carefully?

    Slavs were and remain landlocked people. They aren't PC, but that's because they never had a chance to demonstrate their capacity for accepting alien races beyond hanging out with a few Gypsies and Tatars here and there. And besides, I think the Soviet era demonstrates that the Slavs are quite capable of enforcing "Political Correctness."

    Mediterraneans in the USA tend to preserve their type much more than Nords. Some of the most racist people I've known have been inner city Italian-Americans, for sure. Meds in general seem to be doing OK as far as reproducing and preserving their family values - this will save them as a race.

    But in Latin America? The only countries with many pure Meds are Uruguay, Argentina, and maybe South Brazil. The people I've met from there are not PC, it's true. But I think some basic political stability is requisite for luxuries like Political Correctness to exist.

    Everywhere else, they are racist as hell, which is funny because most of them are bi or triracial, and Med in culture and partial genetic heritage only. They're all mutts, but God have mercy on the darkest kid in the family - they are guaranteed to be treated like garbage by their own parents and siblings.

    The Nords, I think, are going extinct. They are not reproducing, and they have lost their Will to Power. I think they are victims of their own open-minded tolerance and trust in other people to be good - and their own fear of darker races! Maybe it's because respect for law and order and trusting, egalitarian spirit that Nords seem to have amongst themselves (which Meds and others often consider extremely naive) doesn't work in multiracial societies. In other words, the Nords were too "nice"!! The big, bad oppressor white man is toast because he was too much of a naive nice guy. That's what I'm saying - and that's the paradox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoob
    I didn't say it was Americans that invented it. I said that these concepts were realized *in the modern world* by Western people - i.e., white people.
    Ok, but you should have said it like that in the first place.

    I also noted that many Islamic societies were racially egalitarian, something I think they deserve much credit for achieving, since their multiethnic societies (e.g. Almohad and Almoravid Spain) were incredibly creative and productive culturally and scientifically.
    Although I'd still like to see some exact evidence of the racial makeup of Almohad and Almoravid Spain, I think this is a good example of the prevalent importance of culture over race.

    My point is that Blacks in the USA are free because white men were willing to free them. Asians can come here and become part of American society - yet their own societies in Japan, China, and Korea are so xenophobic that they make the Klu Klux Klan look like the Rainbow Coaliition by comparison. The fact that they have the freedom to stand up and bitch about the white man, is because whites were and are willing to give them that power. Try that in Asia or Africa and see what happens. *That* is my point, and I think it's a good one.
    Absolutely!

    My other point (please see original post) was that all this "do-gooding" by whites in the USA and other places has caused nothing but problems for all parties involved. It has destroyed native cultures, and now it is destroying Western culture. If you'd read my original post, I think I made that pretty clear.
    It's anti-everything that isn't in it's near or far interest.

    Slavs were and remain landlocked people. They aren't PC, but that's because they never had a chance to demonstrate their capacity for accepting alien races beyond hanging out with a few Gypsies and Tatars here and there. And besides, I think the Soviet era demonstrates that the Slavs are quite capable of enforcing "Political Correctness."

    Mediterraneans in the USA tend to preserve their type much more than Nords. Some of the most racist people I've known have been inner city Italian-Americans, for sure. Meds in general seem to be doing OK as far as reproducing and preserving their family values - this will save them as a race.
    My words were mostly a response to those who feel that they are superior over Slavs and Mediterraneans by ANY standards. I see you've got a great grasp on reality, in fact, we're speaking the same thing, only I was simplifying it a bit more.

    But in Latin America? The only countries with many pure Meds are Uruguay, Argentina, and maybe South Brazil. The people I've met from there are not PC, it's true. But I think some basic political stability is requisite for luxuries like Political Correctness to exist.

    Everywhere else, they are racist as hell, which is funny because most of them are bi or triracial, and Med in culture and partial genetic heritage only. They're all mutts, but God have mercy on the darkest kid in the family - they are guaranteed to be treated like garbage by their own parents and siblings.
    I'll leave it to those who actually live there to answer to this.

    The Nords, I think, are going extinct. They are not reproducing, and they have lost their Will to Power. I think they are victims of their own open-minded tolerance and trust in other people to be good - and their own fear of darker races! Maybe it's because respect for law and order and trusting, egalitarian spirit that Nords seem to have amongst themselves (which Meds and others often consider extremely naive) doesn't work in multiracial societies. In other words, the Nords were too "nice"!! The big, bad oppressor white man is toast because he was too much of a naive nice guy. That's what I'm saying - and that's the paradox.
    Or maybe all the race-mixing and desintegration of western culture is just one of the symptoms of the trauma of post-Christian society.

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