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    I have seen pics of Poles who indeed look Neo-Danubian, as well as East Baltics and even a few (less Danubian) Ladogan-leaning individuals. 55% is too high, maybe way too high for Poland, and many of the NDs there are mixed with Alpine and/or Dinaric. Karelia, Byelorussia and parts of the northern Ukraine have much higher percentages. Slovenia, like Poland is mixed. It is ridiculous, however, to say there is no such racial type.
    As for convex noses, the Corded type can also have them.

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    I think Neo-Danubian is the same as Savolaxid in Lundman's system. A small-grown East-Baltid of sorts.

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    Hmm... The only Russian which was classified here as Savolaxid was Yuri Syomin. Does it mean that this type is not common in Russia?

    http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=11841

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    Quote Originally Posted by VÄRING
    I think Neo-Danubian is the same as Savolaxid in Lundman's system. A small-grown East-Baltid of sorts.
    Hmm... Define small-grown, please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VÄRING
    I think Neo-Danubian is the same as Savolaxid in Lundman's system. A small-grown East-Baltid of sorts.
    Indeed the average height was the strongest argument for separating NE Europeans from NW populations. However, comparing to published data from the first half of XX c. a positive secular trend in height was found among Europeans. The average increase was more then 1 cm per decade while in East Europe the rate exceeds 2 cm. This positive trend must be related to the general improvement in the population's standard living conditions, as the striking drop of post-neonatal mortality rate shows after the 1960s.
    Its worth to note, that nowadays Britons are shorter then “Alpine” Czechs.

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    The problem is not the existence of Neo-Danubians but the very definition thereof. The Ladogan skull is questionable to say the least. So is the substantial Mongoloid component in these Neo-Danubians.

    What Coon defined as Neo-Danubian is actually a fluid type, mainly a depigmented East Alpinid/Cro-Magnid/Baltid combination.

    How come some people are so hung up on the theories of one anthropologist from the beginning of the last century?
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfurter
    Slovenia, like Poland is mixed. It is ridiculous, however, to say there is no such racial type.
    Mixed as in featuring several types, yes. But people who look like Coon's Neo-Danubian - give me a break. Sure there are Baltid-looking people, but they are definable within the Baltid type.


    Gregor Golobic:





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    Anthropologists often come up with odd types (like Skerlj's Pannonid or Scandid) and they shouldn't be taken too seriously.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Clearly this type was not recognized by any other anthropologist hence the problematic interpretation. I tried to analyze the specific features which Coon described including peculiar form of the nose and I came to conclusion that he probably wrongly interpreted specific regional phenomena of few strongly brachycephalic counties of S. Polesia where depigmented post Feno-Ugric Cro-Magnonid of this refuge area was modified by Dinarid Carpathian Ukrainians withdrawing to avoid steppe invasion. This recombination was accompanied by probably evolutionary disappearance of Neolithic Mediterranid racial element. Interestingly the similar racial phenomena was also described by Czekanowski among Sudetian Germans.

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    If you look at pictures of Byelorussian women on "Russian Bride" websites you will see a number of women who have grey eyes and ash-blond or brown hair who are too infantile to be East-Baltics. They are what is often described as "Neo-Danubian". These features can also be seen among some people in neighboring parts of eastern Poland and the northern Ukraine, as well as occasionally among Slovaks, Slovenians, east-central Germans, and occasionally among other Slavic groups, Hungarians and Romanians. It is typical of the Karelians and more easterly Finno-Ugrian peoples. I am not arguing that is the dominant type of Poland, only that it is a true sub-racial type of some sort or another. Coon is not the only one that acknowledged its existence, he is simply the only one to name it Neo-Danubian. It shares some of the same components as the East-Baltic type, but is not the same. The East Baltic has an added UP, primarily Borreby or similar element, and in some areas a Corded component. The East Baltic type is found in northeastern Germany, northern Poland, the Baltic states, and parts of Finnland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfurter
    If you look at pictures of Byelorussian women on "Russian Bride" websites you will see a number of women who have grey eyes and ash-blond or brown hair who are too infantile to be East-Baltics. They are what is often described as "Neo-Danubian". These features can also be seen among some people in neighboring parts of eastern Poland and the northern Ukraine, as well as occasionally among Slovaks, Slovenians, east-central Germans, and occasionally among other Slavic groups, Hungarians and Romanians. It is typical of the Karelians and more easterly Finno-Ugrian peoples. I am not arguing that is the dominant type of Poland, only that it is a true sub-racial type of some sort or another. Coon is not the only one that acknowledged its existence, he is simply the only one to name it Neo-Danubian. It shares some of the same components as the East-Baltic type, but is not the same. The East Baltic has an added UP, primarily Borreby or similar element, and in some areas a Corded component. The East Baltic type is found in northeastern Germany, northern Poland, the Baltic states, and parts of Finnland.
    Can you post some examples?
    or found among average people?

    ca20000 pictures

    Byelorussians from Mogilev
    http://www.mogilev.net/gallery/

    Poles from Central Poland

    Mazovia
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=41
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=42
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=40
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=39
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=38
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=67
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=36
    http://www.pielgrzymka.com/modules.p...nails&album=45
    Kujawy
    http://www.ckszdroj.com/galeria.htm


    Poles from Podlasie (NE Poland)
    http://www.baza.xtp.pl/pielgrzymka/2005_1.php
    http://www.pielgrzymka.net.pl/2005_2.php
    http://www.pielgrzymka.net.pl/2005_3.php

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    Wielkopolska W.Poland
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    http://www.21.opoka.net.pl/zdjecia2004Adrian.html
    http://www.21.opoka.net.pl/zdjecia.html

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