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    Post Origins of Atlanto-Mediterraneans?

    Where are the Atlanto-Meds from? in witch contries where can we see the majority of this race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ike
    Where are the Atlanto-Meds from? in witch contries where can we see the majority of this race?
    I think they are just UP-derived variants with Brünn affiliation, more or less "native" to western Europe relative to the later groups. They are most visible in Wales, Ireland, Spain, and parts of western France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ike
    Where are the Atlanto-Meds from? in witch contries where can we see the majority of this race?


    A very broad generalized term that encompasses groups all the way from the Atlantic Ocean (British Isles, Ireland, even Western Scandanavia) to the Eastern Mediterannean. Tall, very dolicocephalic, rugged features, basically a tall rugged mediterannean. Found in the majority in the following countries:

    Greece, maybe Ukraine, Bulgaria, Palestine, Iraq, Algeria, Morrocco, Libya.

    Its found in Northern Western Europe but never form a majority in any significant area, let alone a country. My feeling is that these Atlanto Mediteranneans are maybe Anglo-Saxon and Brunn mixes unrelated to the other Atlanto-Meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hantendon
    A very broad generalized term that encompasses groups all the way from the Atlantic Ocean (British Isles, Ireland, even Western Scandanavia) to the Eastern Mediterannean. Tall, very dolicocephalic, rugged features, basically a tall rugged mediterannean. Found in the majority in the following countries:

    Greece, maybe Ukraine, Bulgaria, Palestine, Iraq, Algeria, Morrocco, Libya.

    Its found in Northern Western Europe but never form a majority in any significant area, let alone a country. My feeling is that these Atlanto Mediteranneans are maybe Anglo-Saxon and Brunn mixes unrelated to the other Atlanto-Meds.
    One possible explanation for the presence of Atlanto-Meds in Ireland and western Britain could be mitochondrial DNA haplogroup J. This particular mtDNA haplogroup was introduced into Europe from the Middle East during the Neolithic and is relatively common in Ireland and western Britain.

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    I think that the most Atlanto-Meds are in Serbia and Croatia, in fact, they're the only Meds here, there is a surprising lack of short east-Meds in ex-Yugoslavia, while there is an abundance of such types in Bulgaria and Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    I think that the most Atlanto-Meds are in Serbia and Croatia, in fact, they're the only Meds here, there is a surprising lack of short east-Meds in ex-Yugoslavia, while there is an abundance of such types in Bulgaria and Greece.
    Hm, yeah I've been to Sofija and the people I've seen are shorter than your average "Jugosloven".



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    One possible explanation for the presence of Atlanto-Meds in Ireland and western Britain could be mitochondrial DNA haplogroup J. This particular mtDNA haplogroup was introduced into Europe from the Middle East during the Neolithic and is relatively common in Ireland and western Britain.
    Sure, this is a possibility, yet the frequency of J is only slighly higher in Britain than elsewhere in Northern Europe.

    Maternal Haplogroup J

    Bulgaria/Turkey 14.7%
    Western Isles/Isles of Skye 14.64%
    England/Wales 14.45%
    Scotland 14.44%
    Iceland 14.31%
    Ireland 14.06%
    Scandinavia 10.24%
    France/Italy 6.04%
    Spain/Portugal 5.96%

    http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJ...146/002146.html

    It could very well be that J* is reflective of a Mediterranean migration to Britain.

    Frequency of J (*)

    Ireland 11.72 %
    England/Wales 10.72%
    Scotland 8.64%
    Iceland 6.85%
    Turkey/Bulgaria 5.88%
    Spain/Portugal 3.69%
    France/Italy 2.42%

    However, I would doubt that J* is Atlanto-Mediterranean for several reasons. The J haplogroup originated in the Middle East relatively recently (~10 000 Y.B.P), and therefore, it is unlikely that this haplogroup is associated with the taller, more robust Mediterranean found laregly in Britain/Ireland (i.e the "Atlanto-Med"), but rather, with a smaller, gracilized Mediterranean type which, although still found in Britiain/Ireland to varying degrees, is of lesser frequency than the Atantlo-Mediterranean.

    The Atlanto-Mediterranean is likely a Cro-Magnoid derivative (thus deriving from the M9 lineage), sharing a closer relation to the Brunn type, and therefore its "marker" would be Paleolithic Hg 1, and not Neolithic J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trønder
    The Atlanto-Mediterranean is likely a Cro-Magnoid derivative (thus deriving from the M9 lineage), sharing a closer relation to the Brunn type, and therefore its "marker" would be Paleolithic Hg 1, and not Neolithic J.
    Yes, they would most likely be Y-chromosome Haplogroup 1 (i.e. R1b), but that would not prevent them from having the mtDNA Haplogroup J genetic marker as well.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds? origins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ike
    Where are the Atlanto-Meds from? in witch contries where can we see the majority of this race?
    I think I might be AM.. check out my pic in racial gathering..

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    Question Atlanto-meds again...

    Again the Atlanto-med issue:
    So after all, are the Atlanto-meds a kind of nordic race, or of nordic influence; or just a single race with no kind of conection with nordic? I'm not totally cleared in this matter... Thanks

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