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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    I never questioned this, although there are Alpinoid types mixed with archaic-looking, perhaps pre-Nordics involved, and not all Mediterrenians are interchangeable, some branches are native to Europe(a line descending from Chancelade-Laugerie).
    Which Meds are you referring to?

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    Microliths were important insofar it granted greater control and manipulation of the environment, small game replaced megafauna that by the cataclysms of the Younger Dryas was lead to extinction in Europe.
    It suited a survival strategy, induced a shift in subsistence and new resources came in their scope.
    Microliths tells us more than anything else on socio-economic problems in that era.
    But by being pre-adapted to the new environmrnt by technology, the Capsians would have had the advantage at expanding. They would have migrated north and were able to assimilate into the Magdalenians. This is what created the Azilian.

    As a side note, the beginnings of microliths are now searched in the Iberomaurisians, though the Capsians elaborated the technique.
    This makes sense since earlier populatoins seem to have contributed into the Capsians.

    The origin of the Magdalénians is a bit clouded in mystery, some regard it as a sudden transformation from Gravettian, others hint that it's initial distribution overlaps the Solustréan.
    The Solustréans disappeared all the sudden, one theory says they crossed the Atlantic Ocean, very much like the travel mode of Eskimos, along the board of glaciers, and landed in North America, where they would give rise to the Clovis culture.
    Others could have remained closer to home.
    Tanged and barbed pressure-flaked points of the North African Atherian have been found in Solustréan deposits.
    Why wouldn't they dare to seek refuge in North Africa and take possession of the Atherian industry?
    Maybe this is the source of the Iberomaurisians....SW European colonizers.
    The Aterian disappeared early in North Africa, but it did cross into Iberia. Its unknown what happened to this industry, but even now, a link between the Solutrean and the Aterian is not seen as very unlikely.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    But by being pre-adapted to the new environmrnt by technology, the Capsians would have had the advantage at expanding. They would have migrated north and were able to assimilate into the Magdalenians. This is what created the Azilian.
    Crossing the Street of Gibraltar and remaining stuck in Iberia is not really a big untertaking and maybe some residual racial memory lingered in their mind, the need to return to their point of origin.
    Eventually, they passed on more their techniques and products of workmanship over to the natives than anything else.


    This makes sense since earlier populatoins seem to have contributed into the Capsians.
    Coon states that the Neolithic population of North Africa beared more resemblance to Téviec and Mugem than with e.g. the Nile Delta people.
    The wanderlust of Solustréans and Magdalénians knowing, it's time to contemplate the obscured waves of UP and Mesolithic Europeans due south.


    The Aterian disappeared early in North Africa, but it did cross into Iberia. Its unknown what happened to this industry, but even now, a link between the Solutrean and the Aterian is not seen as very unlikely.
    They mixed with Near Eastern UP(Coon) and produced the Mechtoid race and the Afalou type of Brachycephals(Coon, Hooton).
    If there is indeed a physical-genic link between Solustréans and Aterians, this would help to explain the presence of brachycephalic, low-broad-faced types in the Solustréan stock.
    Sadly, I dont have any data available nor photos to compare them with the Mechta-Afalou people.
    Would it be totally doubtful to assume that the Iberomaurisians preserved their ancestral traits?

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    [QUOTE=Frans_Jozef]Coon states that the Neolithic population of North Africa beared more resemblance to Téviec and Mugem than with e.g. the Nile Delta people.The wanderlust of Solustréans and Magdalénians knowing, it's time to contemplate the obscured waves of UP and Mesolithic Europeans due south.

    I wouldnt be surprised by that. If its true, the "Capsian" maternal lineage would have appeared around the same time as the true Capsian racial migration from Iberia. Is there archeological evidence for a second immigration into the Maghreb?

    If there is indeed a physical-genic link between Solustréans and Aterians, this would help to explain the presence of brachycephalic, low-broad-faced types in the Solustréan stock.
    Sadly, I dont have any data available nor photos to compare them with the Mechta-Afalou people.
    Are you referring to Solutreans or Aterians when you say you have no photographs of them to compare?

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    The Capsians must have send out prospecting missions before they ever engaged to break away for Europe or their ancestry somehow is linked with Europe.
    It's alerting that they likely entered Iberia along the Atlantic coast, it shows familiarity with the "terrain", the Iberian Atlantic coast is tricky due its difficult tidal waters, it acquires native seamanship and use of appropiate boat build.

    Mesolithic living is grounded in exploiting the known environment and making optimal use of the avaliable resources, it derives from exhaustive knowledge of the local habitat and observing, studying and controlling the resource distribution(cfr. Stephen J.Mithen's chapter on the Mesolithic Age, in Prehistoric Europe.An Illustrated History).

    John Gray regards hunter-gathering communities as highly mobile, but "their life does not require continious movement into new territory. Their survival depends on knowing a local milieu down to its last details. Farming multiplies human numbers. It thereby compels farmers to expand the land they work.
    Farming and the search for new lands go together."(Straw Dogs. Thoughts on humans and other animals).

    Interestingly, H-G communities live according a pattern of fusion and fission.
    The community gather together in the winter months on the lowlands and seperate in small bands during the Summer, scattering over the uplands.
    It's a seasonal movement, however since it concerns the community as a whole one could it describe as seasonal and communal, although the latter is reserved for the Neolithic farming columns(cfr. founding fathers, etc...).
    Yet in reality, a sharp division cant be drawned as explained here above.
    The Cardials or Impressed Ceramic People of the Early Neolithic are also characterized by seasonal and communal movement, and their susbsistence relied still for a greap part on a riparian diet and hunting small game but also bears and deers.

    Atlanto-med, you once dropped the concept of paraneolithic in view of the mixed subsistence culture of the Capsians, could you tell us more what this term precisely involves and what this implies about the introduction of a neolithic subsistence culture reaching out in Europe from its southwestern corner.
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Friday, May 21st, 2004 at 11:07 PM. Reason: amends

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