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Thread: Origins of Atlanto-Mediterraneans?

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    I think the Atlanto-Meds are derived from the Palaeolithic population that inhabited Spain. As the ice from the last Ice-Age began to retreat, these people began migrating and populating western Europe and the British Isles, and parts of central Europe.

    This would explain the close genetic relation between most peoples from Britain, Western Europe, Iberia etc.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by ike
    Again the Atlanto-med issue:
    So after all, are the Atlanto-meds a kind of nordic race, or of nordic influence; or just a single race with no kind of conection with nordic? I'm not totally cleared in this matter... Thanks
    Although they are with local racial influence, the distribution of the Atlantomeds in north-western and central Europe corresponds with certain Mesolithic tool industries of Eurpoe, the Azilian and the Tardenoisian. This race descends from a Mediterranid migration from the south. This migration brought the increased use of microliths, associated with the bow and arrow.
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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    I think the Atlanto-Meds are derived from the Palaeolithic population that inhabited Spain.
    Youre right, but you would have been more exact if you had said the Mesolithic rather than the Paleolithic, because the end of the last glaciation, was the start of the Mesolithic.

    The Azilian emerged in Spain and Southern France, as a mixture between the Magdalenian and the expanding Capsian.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Yes, you're right... I'm still not well acquainted with this terminology.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Although with local racial influence, the distribution of the Atlantomeds in north-western and central Europe corresponds with certain Mesolithic tool industries of Eurpoe, the Azilian and the Tardenoisian. This race descends from a Mediterranid migration from the south. This migration brought the increased use of microliths, associated with the bow and arrow.
    The Azilian techno-complex is a poorer and less polished, generally far inferior remnant of the Magdalénians: rooted in Europe, thus, in contrast to the Capsians and Natufians of the Levantine Epipaleolithic.
    The eponymous site is located at the Pyrenees.
    Occitania and Liguria from the Mesolithic into the Early Neolithic is vastly racial stable.
    Traditionally is thought that the Cardials were seafaring Atlanto-Mediterreneans but a village site in South France brought doubt this generally accepted theory:

    http://www.geocities.com/jim_bowery/Atlantis.html

    Interestingly the Mesolithics in Occitania belonged to a subrace close to the Atlanto-Mediterrenean race , albeit slighter finer-build.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    The Azilian techno-complex is a poorer and less polished, generally far inferior remnant of the Magdalénians: rooted in Europe, thus, in contrast to the Capsians and Natufians of the Levantine Epipaleolithic.
    The eponymous site is located at the Pyrenees.
    But the use of microliths in Europe, was introduced by Capsians. The Azilian arose in contact between the two industries.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    But the use of microliths in Europe, was introduced by Capsians. The Azilian arose in contact between the two industries.
    Maybe, some sources speak of southern influences degrading in later stages by greater use of bone material and rapid regionalisation of this industry.

    Here is a photo with a collection of skulls pertaining to the Azilians, also harpoons and lettered pebbles and a distribution map(icl. the Tardenoisin):

    http://geology.cwru.edu/~huwig/catal...es/758.H.1.jpg

    http://geology.cwru.edu/~huwig/catal...es/756.J.2.jpg

    http://geology.cwru.edu/~huwig/catal...es/756.J.1.jpg

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    Maybe, some sources speak of southern influences degrading in later stages by greater use of bone material and rapid regionalisation of this industry.
    Most of those Azilians are clearly Meds, as are the Capsians.

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Most of those Azilians are clearly Meds, as are the Capsians.
    I never questioned this, although there are Alpinoid types mixed with archaic-looking, perhaps pre-Nordics involved, and not all Mediterrenians are interchangeable, some branches are native to Europe(a line descending from Chancelade-Laugerie).

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    Post Re: Atlanto-meds again...

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    But the use of microliths in Europe, was introduced by Capsians. The Azilian arose in contact between the two industries.
    The Magdalénians dispensed to a certain degree lithic material for manufacturing bone kits.
    They hunted reindeers and horses over great distances, they show a remarkeable fitness to svelte mobility and wander treks over vast territories. From the moment the glaciers retreated, they took full advantage of the free coming lands to migrate due north, covering Great Brittain, Germany and the North European Plain.
    Anyway, the wide distribution of the Magdalénian tribes didn't inhibite them to maintain long distance contacts and exchanges(e.g. prestige gifts, cult objects...).

    The Azilians continued the traditions of their ancestors.

    Microliths were important insofar it granted greater control and manipulation of the environment, small game replaced megafauna that by the cataclysms of the Younger Dryas was lead to extinction in Europe.
    It suited a survival strategy, induced a shift in subsistence and new resources came in their scope.
    Microliths tells us more than anything else on socio-economic problems in that era.

    As a side note, the beginnings of microliths are now searched in the Iberomaurisians, though the Capsians elaborated the technique.
    The origin of the Magdalénians is a bit clouded in mystery, some regard it as a sudden transformation from Gravettian, others hint that it's initial distribution overlaps the Solustréan.
    The Solustréans disappeared all the sudden, one theory says they crossed the Atlantic Ocean, very much like the travel mode of Eskimos, along the board of glaciers, and landed in North America, where they would give rise to the Clovis culture.
    Others could have remained closer to home.
    Tanged and barbed pressure-flaked points of the North African Atherian have been found in Solustréan deposits.
    Why wouldn't they dare to seek refuge in North Africa and take possession of the Atherian industry?
    Maybe this is the source of the Iberomaurisians....SW European colonizers.
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Tuesday, May 18th, 2004 at 01:21 PM.

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