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    Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    1 - Facial average of a hockey team


    2 - Same average, slightly edited further


    3 - Another hockey team (facial average).



    And so called "peak-type edits" of both team averages, both rather exaggerated on purpose.





    Problems I'm encountering with Sqirlz Morph are that if a group of pictures has a majority of a certain type, the tendency seems to be that if one person has narrower eyes the average will show that narrower direction and not really represent the average proper. I'm sure that's a problem I can overcome.

    However what I'd like to know is, how would you guys/gals classify these images and how do the "peak-types" that are artificially created differ from each other in your view. The other peak is a bit of a mess, but it should do for now. The classifications of these averages will help me tell if the results are even somewhat realistic in comparison to the source images and types present there.

    Frankly the averages were surprisingly close, considering how much more Nordid the first set of images was on average. This leads me to believe I've done something wrong in the process.
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    AW: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    Interesting trial.

    Well, no. 1 and 2 looks Nordid+Cromagnoid+very slight Baltid and approaching Troender me thinks.

    No. 3 looks Cromagnoid with Nordid influences.

    And so called "peak-type edits" of both team averages, both rather exaggerated on purpose.
    The first looks like an extreme Eastnordid and the 2nd too but more Nordpontid accent.

    In both cases they look rather unnatural of course, thats partly inevitable, but there happened also "mistakes":
    The nasal region looks distorted and for the basic form too long.
    The upper lip is much too short which is already disharmonious especially if comparing with the
    Extremely high chin region
    They look almost like having mandibular prognathy.

    Problems I'm encountering with Sqirlz Morph are that if a group of pictures has a majority of a certain type, the tendency seems to be that if one person has narrower eyes the average will show that narrower direction and not really represent the average proper. I'm sure that's a problem I can overcome.
    Thats really a problem with the program, but it can be reduced to a minimum if using a larger sample and this sample being of the same picture size - unfortunately both is hard to get...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    In both cases they look rather unnatural of course, thats partly inevitable, but there happened also "mistakes":
    The nasal region looks distorted and for the basic form too long.
    The upper lip is much too short which is already disharmonious especially if comparing with the
    Extremely high chin region
    They look almost like having mandibular prognathy.
    Good point about the nasal region, hence I tried to create a new peak-set that would remain more harmonious and less comical. Of course these edits will never look totally natural or harmonious.
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    AW: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    I made some experimental morphs with just 2-5 images of strongly Nordid and progressive individuals while making the larger sample morphs of Nordids, I think they might be interesting as comparison, because they have absolute "peak type qualities":

    People might recognise some of the used images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    I made some experimental morphs with just 2-5 images of strongly Nordid and progressive individuals while making the larger sample morphs of Nordids, I think they might be interesting as comparison, because they have absolute "peak type qualities":

    People might recognise some of the used images.
    How many control points do you use? Here's a screen capture of my usual points, I wonder if there's too many of them or not enough (or in the wrong places)

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    Re: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    Swedes?

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    Re: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    Please tell me what is the software that you use or what´s the web page?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joseanton View Post
    Please tell me what is the software that you use or what´s the web page?
    As mentioned, the program used is Sqirlz Morph (freeware)
    http://www.xiberpix.com/SqirlzMorph.html

    I believe however that programs that have built-in face recognition features will do better results on average.

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    AW: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    I use different control points, f.e. the pupil is central in my trials, I dont want to influence mouth form/size, so a point just between the lips, gnathion (below the chin), zy-zy etc. So less points different placed, most at position important for anthropological measurements (compare), but I think it worked fairly fine with your method even though it looks somewhat less ordered than if going after specific anthropological measurement points which can be found usually quite easily in every face.
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    Re: Classify - Minor experiment - Morphed average

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/03...notypical.html
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/03...wn-part-v.html
    http://racialreality.blogspot.com/20...variation.html

    Christ these guys all act like they signed NDAs or something. Does anyone know what software they used to create their composites?

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