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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Do you know some women were sent to jail because they homeschooled their children?
    Yes, but the charges were that they prevented them from going to school, and again this is from age 6 to max. age 18.
    You were talking about Kindergarten, before your child is 6 years old, you can homeschool it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I will send it to kindergarten for the interaction with other children.
    That makes more sense, but you wrote you would want to sent him to the Kindergarten because homeschooling is not allowed.

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    It's a known truth, it doesn't need "backing up" that women are better with children, because we have been educating children for millennia, while the men concerned themselves with work and providing income.
    Every truth, long known or otherwise, can be backed up.
    And your argument is pretty weak, because women have been cooking for millennia also, and still, the best chefs are men
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I don't want my child to live always at home like a hermit or be a mommy's boy, and he will also not be big enough to be let to interact with other children unsupervised.
    Wouldn't it be better to find a group of like minded mothers with children and arrange play groups? If you send your children to a government kindergarten, they might make your child socialize with foreigners.


    I don't have anything wrong with women working as long as it doesn't interfere with the amount of children they are able to have, except that it usually does.

    Also, most public and even many schools in the US aren't very good, and even if they are they usually PC, so I tend to think homeschooling is the best option for most families unless the woman is a heart surgeon or something that makes 6 figures, or has a career that can be done from the home. As to women vs men quitting work to take care of children, from what I have seen women are much better at caring for young children, and also most women don't opt for high paying career paths anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Yes, but the charges were that they prevented them from going to school, and again this is from age 6 to max. age 18.
    You were talking about Kindergarten, before your child is 6 years old, you can homeschool it.
    A child before 6 years old can't learn many significant, complicated things like political theory.

    That makes more sense, but you wrote you would want to sent him to the Kindergarten because homeschooling is not allowed.
    Yes, I don't know if kindergarten is compulsory or not and I don't care, because like I said, kindergarten isn't where the child's political thought is formed. But if I have to send my child to school, I might as well send him to kindergarten too, to get socially accustomed.
    Every truth, long known or otherwise, can be backed up.
    And your argument is pretty weak, because women have been cooking for millennia also, and still, the best chefs are men
    Statistics only confirm it, but fine, here is one:

    Newsflash: Women Make Better Caregivers Than Men

    Cooking and having children isn't the same thing, plus being a chef doesn't necessarily mean better cooking. Many people prefer the traditional dish their mothers cook at home than the sophisticated and good looking, award-winning meals chefs cook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    A child before 6 years old can't learn many significant, complicated things like political theory.
    Yep.

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    Yes, I don't know if kindergarten is compulsory or not and I don't care
    It is not, glad I could help

    This speaks about "caregiving", that is not enough to make one better with children, as I said, it is complementary, and an absent father (and be it that he is just working so long) is as dangerous as an absent mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Cooking and having children isn't the same thing
    You said that if someone (women) has been doing something (child caring) for a long time, then this somehow would indicate that they are better at it, than those who didn't do it for so long.
    This is not the case, and you are incapable of abstract thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    plus being a chef doesn't necessarily mean better cooking.
    I wrote "the best chefs", the adjective "best" indicates better cooking

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    Many people prefer the traditional dish their mothers cook at home than the sophisticated and good looking, award-winning meals chefs cook.
    There are many male chefs who cook traditional dishes, and are better at this than mothers
    Being a chef does in no way imply not to cook traditionally.
    You just don't see them much in TV, and thus probably don't know about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deary View Post
    Unless it is absolutely necessary, women shouldn't work when they have families. When the children get older and gain more independence, it might be okay to have a stay-at-home job that is not too time-consuming to pay for things her husband doesn't feel are necessary and should come from his budget.
    Absolutely agree.

    Perhaps not by the necessity of the situation, as a decent job can cover the essentials in life, but more for as you mentioned; the luxuries that perhaps are not so important.

    My wages can comfortably cover rent, food, heating and water, internet and some other bills, etc... I usually have some left over to enjoy an evening down the pub and/or a day out with the family.

    My other half has studied for a top NVQ in childcare and we are passed by protection and welfare organisations to go ahead with her looking after children at home.
    I have stated a few of my 'rules' about her new venture, but ultimately the job and its responsibility is hers.

    The extra money will come in handy, I would be a fool to deny that, but she is still at home providing a secure base for our children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeornWulfWer View Post
    My other half has studied for a top NVQ in childcare and we are passed by protection and welfare organisations to go ahead with her looking after children at home.
    At home babysitting is regulated in the UK? I know lots of women who at one time or another provided daycare in their homes. Unregulated & generally unreported to the IRS. I know the statists & feminists would love to get it all under their control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    At home babysitting is regulated in the UK?
    It certainly is.

    I do believe it to be beneficial as it does help regulate who is suitable and prevent any Tom, Dick and Harry from setting up below the par home childcare centres. It is the paperwork and constant forms and regulatory boards you have to appease just to gain the right to look after children which annoys.

    As I said, they have given her the green light but suddenly decided her first aid certificate is now out of date and she can't do anything till renewing that.

    Another £60 to fork out.

    EDIT: I should of added that to gain monetary benefits for childcare from the Government, you do need to register your child with a fully registered child carer.
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    I believe that staying at home is best for the children, but unfortunately it is not always possible.

    I agree with those who said that the children should come first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    At home babysitting is regulated in the UK? I know lots of women who at one time or another provided daycare in their homes. Unregulated & generally unreported to the IRS. I know the statists & feminists would love to get it all under their control.
    They tried to pass such a law in Massachusetts last year, but it got put to a ballot initiative (public referendum) and was voted down. The main goal as stated was to have them all unionized, and thus paid more.

    It should be up to the individual parents to check out day care centers instead of relying on state regulators who both make things a pain in the ass for everyone and still can't catch every baddie, the best is if they have a friend who is a stay at home mom who can watch a few kids during the daytime hours in addition to her own.
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