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    "God Is Still Dead"

    Perfect timing from Newsweek, just as the two great monotheistic religions get in a bun fight, here's a piece on Nietzsche and the new atheists.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14872746/site/newsweek/

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    But Dawkins, brilliant as he is, overlooks something any storefront Baptist preacher might have told him. "If there is no God, why be good?" he asks rhetorically, and responds: "Do you really mean the only reason you try to be good is to gain God's approval and reward? That's not morality, that's just sucking up." That's clever. But millions of Christians and Muslims believe that it was precisely God who turned them away from a life of immorality. Dawkins, of course, thinks they are deluding themselves. He is correct that the social utility of religion doesn't prove anything about the existence of God. But for all his erudition, he seems not to have spent much time among ordinary Christians, who could have told him what God has meant to them.
    I was wondering that, why be good...

    The obvious answer is biology. Anti-social people are less likely to pass on their genes, hence we all are conditioned to an extent, to be moral.

    The problem with religion, is where do you draw the line between God's action and natural action, or you interactions with the world. It is just a recipe for irrationality.

    OTOH, I do not like the militant atheists who are openly rude. The civilised course is to be sceptical of religion, but to keep an open mind.

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    I was about to ask exactly the same thing! It's been on my mind all day- that and the lack of chocolate muffins in my local coffee shop.

    Nietzsche said "Being moral means being highly accessible to fear" so if one doesn't believe in God's vengeance ,why bother? Natural law?



    Quote Originally Posted by OneFakeSaxon View Post
    I was wondering that, why be good...

    The obvious answer is biology. Anti-social people are less likely to pass on their genes, hence we all are conditioned to an extent, to be moral.

    The problem with religion, is where do you draw the line between God's action and natural action, or you interactions with the world. It is just a recipe for irrationality.

    OTOH, I do not like the militant atheists who are openly rude. The civilised course is to be sceptical of religion, but to keep an open mind.

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    Oh good answer OFS,I was so impatient, I didn't finish reading your post!

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabitha View Post
    Oh good answer OFS,I was so impatient, I didn't finish reading your post!
    God bless you.

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabitha View Post
    Nietzsche said "Being moral means being highly accessible to fear" so if one doesn't believe in God's vengeance ,why bother? Natural law?
    Hope you got your chocolate muffins. Why bother, because we are part of a society, we survive if the society survives. Hindu religion says 'Dharmo rakshata rakshitah' (duty saved saves, more clearly - If we sustain 'dharma', duty/right action, the action 'dharma' sustains us). Yes, natural law, even animals observe it. Preserve the society.
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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post
    Hope you got your chocolate muffins. Why bother, because we are part of a society, we survive if the society survives. Hindu religion says 'Dharmo rakshata rakshitah' (duty saved saves, more clearly - If we sustain 'dharma', duty/right action, the action 'dharma' sustains us). Yes, natural law, even animals observe it. Preserve the society.
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    What he said is right on the money.

    For better or for worse, we are social animals, and we're not fixed in our conception of morality; there really is no higher code or set of laws encrypted within our DNA or written somewhere on the Stars. Morals change, and it is reflected on the times, we just play by the rules to get along. Years ago people at the States didn't have any qualms lynching blacks, but today it'd be murder to do so, punished with imprisonment... morals changed, and nothing other than the hanging shadow of prison and a painful butt rape stop some people from actually going on a lynching spree.

    And really, other than the system of laws and the moral brainwash societal life dictates in order for society to function, (as far as its limitations allow it) nothing stops you from being "bad", since there is no such thing as "good" and "evil" (there are a lot of sick nuts, though), everything's just a conflict of interests, that's all. By the end of the day, saints and sinners, we all go down the same bottomless hole of Nothing.

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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    "A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."
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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    "One should not go to church if one wants to breathe pure air."

    I think Nietzsche provides in "Beyond Good and Evil", a good analysis of 'Morality' and how it has enslaved the minds of the herd, particularly those who are attached to books like the bible and koran.

    Questions: who or what is God , and who or what is Dead
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    Re: God Is Still Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbionMP View Post
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    Questions: who or what is God , and who or what is Dead
    (G)od is that which is dead.

    (or)

    Death is that which is (G)od.

    The word order makes no particular difference: belief in the Christian god, itself, has ceased to be believable (although there are still 'believers'...) - confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of this god is - amongst other things - Reductio Ad Absurdum; but that is part of its ongoing gravitas.

    The morality fused to this god ceases to be believable, therefore.

    The question is, then: "Now what...?"
    "...The moral man is a lower species than the immoral, a weaker species; indeed - he is a type in regard to morality, but not a type in himself; a copy...the measure of his value lies outside him. ... I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage; I do not account the evil and painful character of existence a reproach to it, but hope rather that it will one day be more evil and painful than hitherto..." (Nietzsche)

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