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    Classify Edward Elgar

    I'm surprised that no one has ever considered classifying this famous English composer.




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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    Litorid?



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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    Keltic

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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    If so, I doubt the Nordid origin of this Keltic type.

    Quote Originally Posted by joseanton View Post
    Keltic

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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    I saw those pictures. Many old men throughout Europe look like that. Look at the posterior position of his ears, his chin and nasal shape. South German Dinarid is the least exotic if we compare him to Nordid. Tim Sebastian is similar to him.



    I admit his half-profile in the second picture reminded me of Lord Kitchener's. Baker (Race, 1974) had Kitchener as a general Nordid example, I'm afraid Baker may have not seen many Scando-Nordids though. I suppose Nordid to people like Baker is not the same as Nordic (Nordic countries) looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Really?!?

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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet View Post
    I saw those pictures. Many old men throughout Europe look like that.
    True enough. Quite a handsome look, when coupled with a huge 'tache. I'm minded of Johannes de Leon's avatar.
    Look at the posterior position of his ears, his chin and nasal shape. South German Dinarid is the least exotic if we compare him to Nordid.
    Some similarities to Hitler, then?
    Tim Sebastian is similar to him.
    Isn't he Jewish?
    I admit his half-profile in the second picture reminded me of Lord Kitchener's. Baker (Race, 1974) had Kitchener as a general Nordid example, I'm afraid Baker may have not seen many Scando-Nordids though. I suppose Nordid to people like Baker is not the same as Nordic (Nordic countries) looking.
    Haha! Exactly who I thought of when I saw it! I suppose there is additionally the factor that it's a drawing, and Kitchener's face was a very recognisable icon of the time, perhaps subconsciously influencing the artist when attempting to paint a very English composer... I used that picture for the colouring of complexion, mostly.
    What do you think of another well known hook-nosed Englishman?


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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    True enough. Quite a handsome look, when coupled with a huge 'tache. I'm minded of Johannes de Leon's avatar.
    Definitely, the look of a gentleman.

    Some similarities to Hitler, then?
    Yes.

    Isn't he Jewish?
    Could be. I have heard others say that. It would not surprise me. Does it matter if the same racial element is present among non-Jewish Brits?

    What do you think of another well known hook-nosed Englishman?
    Similar to Lord Ribblesdale. H. J Fleure and M. Davies gave a few examples of important types in Britain, because that will give the reader a better idea than mere descriptions. According to the authors Robert Burns seems to illustrate some of the characters of the dark longheads, who show Neolithic inheritance. Charles Darwin, painted before he grew long beard, seems to have had some characteristics of the Beaker people, though these features may have been carried to his family by later immigrants. Lord Ribblesdale, in J. S. Sargent’s portrait was given as an example of the characteristic tall, thin fair type with regular and fine features (Coon’s Keltic Nordic?).

    Lord Ribblesdale (J. S Sargent, hand-painted reproduction):
    http://www.fine-art-reproductions.co...bblesdale1.jpg

    I think Lundman may have been right about the English aristocrat. I quoted him many times about that. Lundman (1977) said the English aristocrat is predominantly Nordic, somewhat North-Atlantid or even Litoral mixed, in race. I cannot think of anything else besides Litoral, to explain those huge, convex (even hooked) noses.

    Lundman (1957) said "Ellis points out that most of England's great navigators were conspicuously blond, but three of the most daring are in my opinion of a more or less litoral type; Drake and Dampier from the southwestern tip of the island, and Cook, whose native region, Yorkshire, is actually dominated by the Nordic type."
    Last edited by Glenlivet; Monday, September 18th, 2006 at 04:00 PM.

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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    He does remind me rather of the South German Dinarids. Perhaps he could be a Keltic-Dinarid mixture? Either way, he has a very stately look to him - it almost immediately betrays a noble provenance.

    Is Baker worth reading?

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    Re: Classify Edward Elgar

    A few thoughts:

    1) I think Tim Sebastian is Jewish

    2) Edward Elgar does indeed combine a wavy Nordid nose and an Armenoid nose

    3) Edward Elgar looks like Daniel Day Lewis from some angles
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