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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    More pics (look at the Kalash symbol):










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    Georges Dumezil, the great scholar of Indo-Europeans, wrote about the closely-related Bashgul "Kafirs" (in Afghanistan) and their religion in this way inArchaic Roman Religion, volume I:

    This kind of almost completely demythologized religion, surviving only in rites whose mythological and even theological justification have been forgotten, is seldom found in other parts of the Indo-European world. The most remarkable case is that of the Inidans of the former Kafiristan in the Hindu Kush. This region became Nuristan at the end of the nineteenth century, when the Afghans imposed on it the “light” of islam, nur, with the violence appropriate to this kind of attention. Living in their high valleys, the “Kafirs”, an intelligent and handsome people, had preserved until then an interesting religion, the features of which recall Vedism and which was observed in extremis by an English traveller, Sir George Scott Robertson, whose book is one of the masterpieces of ethnography. Robertson devoted two admirable chapters (23 and 24) to this religion, but he begins by making excuses which an observer of the Roman religion of the final centuries might have made if he substituted Hellenism for Islam and Athens or Rhodes for Chitral.

    It must be remembered that the Bashgul Kafirs are no longer an isolated community, in the strict sense of the word. They frequently visit Chitral and have dealings with other Musalman peoples as well. Many of their relatives have embraced Islam without abandoning the ties of relationship. One of the results of this free intercourse with Musalmans is that the Bashgul Kafirs at the present day are very apt to mix their own religious traditions with those of their Musalman neighnours. This greatly confuses matters, and it is hopeless for me to try to write anything final, or even moderately comprehensive, concerning the religion of Kafiristan; a modest record of what I actually saw and actually heard is all that can be attempted. Possibly a better acquiantance with the Bashgul language might have made many things clear to me which now remain dark, and perhaps had my interpreters been better the same result might have followed; but it appears to me that the chief reason why I discovered so little about the Kafir faith is because the Kafirs themselves know so little on the subject. It would seem that in Kafiristan the forms of religion remain, while the philosophy which those forms were originally intended to symbolise is altogether forgotten. This is not, perhaps, surprising in a country in which there are no records of any kind, and everything depends on oral tradition.


    The Bashgul Kafirs, or at any rate the younger portion of the community, are inclined to be somewhat sceptical. They are superstitious, of course, but sacred ceremonies are frequently burlesqued or scoffed at when two or three waggish young men get together. Gish (the god of war and of warriors) is the really popular god of the Bashgul youth. In their worship of him there is a great sincerety. A young Kafir once asked me if we English did not prefer Gish to Imra (the Creator), as he himself did, and many Kafirs have expressed their disappointment on learning that Franks knew nothing of Gish.
    The older people are devout in their respect for all the gods, but Bashgul Kafirs seem ready to abandon their religion at any time without much regret. They leave it, as they return to it, chiefly from motives of material advantage, and rarely appear to trouble themselves about religious convictions.


    These lines would be an excellent preface to the Fasti of Ovid.

    p.58-59

    Hail Gish!

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    You can find plenty of those types in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, certain regions in Afghanistan, and Kashmir..







    I don't think the Kalasha have anything to do with the Greeks because there's no genetic evidence for it, even though such claims have been thrown around. Since those areas are some of the most remote in the world (no outside contact, invasions...etc), I think they're the remnants of the Aryans.

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    Pakistani senators from the North West Frontier Province.






    Another Pakistani man.



    Pretty amazing stuff.

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    Wow! Amzing! When you see this, you remember what beautiful would be the world in former times.

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    Quote Originally Posted by fonze View Post
    You can find plenty of those types in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, certain regions in Afghanistan, and Kashmir..







    I don't think the Kalasha have anything to do with the Greeks because there's no genetic evidence for it, even though such claims have been thrown around. Since those areas are some of the most remote in the world (no outside contact, invasions...etc), I think they're the remnants of the Aryans.
    The third pic shows a Pashtoon man not a Kalash. As for the Kalash I think you're correct in claiming they have no Greek ancestry, I also believe they are remnants of ancient Indo-European settlers. I think that some Macedonian admixture was found in some surrounding and isollated tribes near the Kalash.

    As for those pics, well, Nordid admixture is present at a low level, but is not mayoritary, being the predominant type the Iranid one, which is close to Nordid/Corded though.

    And please hide those pics before oslonor sees them and starts claiming the Nordicity of the Persian people... once again!

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    she looks exactly like my littlesister when she was younger very baltid

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico View Post
    The third pic shows a Pashtoon man not a Kalash. As for the Kalash I think you're correct in claiming they have no Greek ancestry, I also believe they are remnants of ancient Indo-European settlers. I think that some Macedonian admixture was found in some surrounding and isollated tribes near the Kalash.
    As for those pics, well, Nordid admixture is present at a low level, but is not mayoritary, being the predominant type the Iranid one, which is close to Nordid/Corded though.
    And please hide those pics before oslonor sees them and starts claiming the Nordicity of the Persian people... once again!
    Do you mean Persians do not have aryan origin? And who is Oslonor?

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    Re: The Kalash people, a last aryan tribe or a greek descent folk in the heart of Asi

    Quote Originally Posted by pacific View Post
    Do you mean Persians do not have aryan origin?
    No, where did I say that?

    And who is Oslonor?
    A very annoying guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fonze View Post
    You can find plenty of those types in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, certain regions in Afghanistan, and Kashmir..







    I don't think the Kalasha have anything to do with the Greeks because there's no genetic evidence for it, even though such claims have been thrown around. Since those areas are some of the most remote in the world (no outside contact, invasions...etc), I think they're the remnants of the Aryans.
    This is true. The kalash are probably an indigenous group since the neighbouring people such as the Pashtuns, Wakhis, Hunza(they were proven to be indigenous and they also happen to be the whitest people in teh region) look similar.

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