View Poll Results: Who Owns Your Body?

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  • I own my body

    64 63.37%
  • My parents since I am a product of them

    1 0.99%
  • Ultimately, the Creator owns my body

    23 22.77%
  • Society

    4 3.96%
  • Other

    9 8.91%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlegethon
    The blood bank and the sperm bank own my body. My mind is mine to use, though.

    How does a person separate mind from body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    How does a person separate mind from body?
    It's not as difficult as one might think. Like this...

    :-D
    I envision a world where people dawning long white robes and elaborate headdresses run rampant down the streets, waving their arms in the air while screaming "we've gone mad, we've gone mad", like defrocked monks breaking the silence of ages past.

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    Yeah - the concept of 'ownership' implies an owner and the thing owned.
    It is a mistake of grammar which leads to the construction 'I own my body' as there is no real separation between owner and owned in the individual.
    I am my body, my body is me - 'ownership' doesn't arise - it is a tautology.

    Just as we say the 'lightning flashed' - in actual fact, the lightning cannot be separated from the flash - the flash IS the lightning.

    So this rules out the tautalogious idea that 'one can own one's own body'.

    Given that this is a product merely of the structure of grammar [subject/object being written throughout our thinking], then can we be 'owned' as objects?

    Yes, as slaves etc., we are owned in the sense of being objects possessed by other agents.

    But our sense of self [or 'soul'] rebels against this; you can possess me as an object, but my self cannot be owned.
    If this is true, and we also agree that it is nonsense to say that an object can own itself, then my body cannot be owned as such.

    The only possible ownership of bodies belongs to that of a Creator [if there is such a thing]. The Creator as the AUTHOR of the world asserts his rights of ownership as the world is OBJECT to him.

    Of course, this is a theological answer; a philosopher might have to stop here and say that the notion of self-ownership and Other ownership of humans is not possible in real terms, while the concept of a Creator is speculative.

    If we rule out the Creator [and I would always leave open the posssibility], then we'd have to say that NO-ONE owns my Body.

    Only the Creator could be said to do so.
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, December 15th, 2003 at 05:51 PM.
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    I voted for the first. Just like body and soul/spirit cannot be separated, neither can body and Being. I am be-ing because I have willed this life. I believe in the eternal-recurrence. I can say I own my Body therefore, because life itself has chosen to express me through this body as I had willed it [i.e., life].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aethrei
    I voted for the first. Just like body and soul/spirit cannot be separated, neither can body and Being. I am be-ing because I have willed this life. I believe in the eternal-recurrence. I can say I own my Body therefore, because life itself has chosen to express me through this body as I had willed it [i.e., life].
    When you speak of eternal recurrence, do you mean reincarnation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    When you speak of eternal recurrence, do you mean reincarnation?
    No, reincarnation is something like transmigration of the soul [same soul in different bodies = avatars, so I think it sees soul and body as different]; recurrence would mean willing this exact and identical body again and again.

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    So, in other words, that there are people with not only the same soul that return but look identical as well (having the same body as before) with perhaps certain cultural changes. I have never heard of such a belief; that is interesting.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    I voted I OWN MY BODY since I like to beleive I have control over myself, however since we have been raised in a society where trends and clothing are a must, I would say that ultimately SOCIETY controls me, my actions, my life and body, as well as my soul. So in opposite of the creator, I think the destroyer (Satan) controls both my body and the corruption of society itself.

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    I think this was posed as a religious question. Since I do not believe in any god, I owe my own body but, I will grant, there are exceptions. For instance, if you are in the military, that military owns your body. If you are a devoted follower of a political movement, such as for instance, the 3rd Reich, then the Volk would own your body. Some religious people think their god ownes them.

    Another question might be: Where do we go after we die? The answers might shed light on this topic it the real question is one of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    I think this was posed as a religious question. Since I do not believe in any god, I owe my own body but, I will grant, there are exceptions. For instance, if you are in the military, that military owns your body. If you are a devoted follower of a political movement, such as for instance, the 3rd Reich, then the Volk would own your body. Some religious people think their god ownes them.

    Another question might be: Where do we go after we die? The answers might shed light on this topic it the real question is one of control.
    In a hole deep deep inside the earths crust. Or in a vase on top of my sons fireplace.

    In my religion, kragapashte(religion of the fire), it is said that when a man dies, he is only reborn as an element as strong as his character. However I'm not very religious, and tend to lean more toward Christian values (as they are moral) instead of being a practicing fanatic Christian.

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