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  • I own my body

    64 63.37%
  • My parents since I am a product of them

    1 0.99%
  • Ultimately, the Creator owns my body

    23 22.77%
  • Society

    4 3.96%
  • Other

    9 8.91%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanessa
    My body is a vessel used to manifest the need for my mind to absorb the world around it through actions that it can't complete on it's own. :-|

    You have an amazing mind Vanessa. Who owns it? And how do you know who owns it?
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    Let's say that Human existence is a series of events.
    Each day of our lives we gather informations, process them, act in accordance to what we learned, or in accordance to what our instincts tell us, most of the time in accordance to both at the same time ( in varying proportions ).

    For hundreds of thousands of years, we've lived in a certain state of existence that shaped us. Series of events through a million and a half years that have shaped our bodies, our thought.

    We're built for a certain way of life, a mostly physical way of life, where also intelligence ( wit ) meant the difference between life and death.

    We're not built for the way of life that most of us lead today. Most of the time, we can't even do the things we're built for, because this doesn't comply with societal regulations.

    Because of this, we sometimes act in ways that would certainly have gotten us wiped from the gene pool just ten millenia ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Let's say that Human existence is a series of events.
    Each day of our lives we gather informations, process them, act in accordance to what we learned, or in accordance to what our instincts tell us, most of the time in accordance to both at the same time ( in varying proportions ).

    For hundreds of thousands of years, we've lived in a certain state of existence that shaped us. Series of events through a million and a half years that have shaped our bodies, our thought.

    We're built for a certain way of life, a mostly physical way of life, where also intelligence ( wit ) meant the difference between life and death.

    We're not built for the way of life that most of us lead today. Most of the time, we can't even do the things we're built for, because this doesn't comply with societal regulations.

    Because of this, we sometimes act in ways that would certainly have gotten us wiped from the gene pool just ten millenia ago.

    Do you think these events, thoughts, and instincts have been random and without meaning or do you conceive a specific direction?
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    I don't know if there is a direction. For all we know, we might even be going in circles. Evolution, Humanity, Civilization, hell, maybe even the universe itself bangs out from a single point, spreads in all directions, but is eventually compressed into a single point again by gravity, until the moment in which it explodes again. :-)

    My point is only that we probably can't see that part of the spectrum of existence. We only see and do what we're built for.

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    The only thing that's going to go in circles here is trying to debate this with you.

    Who built us and why?
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    Actually, I've come to conclusion that the purpose of intelligent life in the universe is to finally stop with the endless repeating of the cycles of creation and destruction. Both the universal and the local historical cycles will go on until some entity becomes aware and powerful enough to finally finish the bloody thing :-)

    I think I've reached enlightenment, and proved Buddha at the same time.
    Therefore, I'll reward myself with some ice-cream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    You have an amazing mind Vanessa. Who owns it? And how do you know who owns it?
    Well..thanks Cos! :-D Who owns it? I would have to say that the concept of "ownership" is something that man has created essentially to protect his own resources. In the past it was something simple like "that goat is mine" lol, really just to ensure that it would be used up by someone to sustain themselves. We have a history of "looking out for number one" ;-) As the mind is part of, and in fact the essence of, what is "ourself", it really is not a resource and is not something to which ownership applies. To me, my mind stands on it's own. I am my mind, and it is me, Ger. I am not the "property" of someone or something. How do I know this? It's what I believe. Just as someone might believe the opposite. These things can't be proved.
    I envision a world where people dawning long white robes and elaborate headdresses run rampant down the streets, waving their arms in the air while screaming "we've gone mad, we've gone mad", like defrocked monks breaking the silence of ages past.

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    Whoever has the means to control it.

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    I put 'Creator', simply because it is a question that needs a spiritual answer - the Body and the Soul are inseparable.

    This is complicated by the notion that a slave is owned by his master - but does the master own the slave's soul?
    If not, and the slave's soul is inseparable from his body, then the slave is not owned or ownable.

    As to the possibility of self-ownership of one's body/soul;
    Should I be able to sell my internal organs [i.e., third-worlders sell their kidneys etc., to first-worlders awaiting transplants etc.,]?

    If the law forbids this, then I do not truly own 'my' body/soul.

    Prostitution, suicide and abortion are related questions in this connexion.

    The philosophical aspect of such "owner-ship" reveals a disjunction; 'this time is out of joint', i.e., -
    Do I 'own' anything in a DEEP sense?
    Or is ownership MERE possession - a possession which passes from one hand to another?

    This leaves the ultimate question;
    WHO IS THE FINAL POSSESSOR?

    Here we can only answer vaguely - the Creator.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    The blood bank and the sperm bank own my body. My mind is mine to use, though.
    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

    - Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

    Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

    - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)

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