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    Re: German community in Chile

    In fact, Chilean people (I am talking in third person because I am not a "common" chilean) consider self as white, even when they are not strictly and 100% white.

    This has it origins in the social system, where whitier ones are normally in higher class and the "more mestizos" in lower social classes. Pure or almost pure Aborigins are an external class, which mainly corresponds to medium and higher low class. So we have a double factor in race, even, here is common to talk about blonde schools when you are talking about the ones in sectors like Las Condes, because white people and colonies tend to be from the high class.

    So it is a class and race system, wich is hardiest to destruct than only race or only class.

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    Re: German community in Chile

    hello, i'm from Chile, I've german anscestry from the side of my mother. I'm direct descendant from the lisper family, that arribed in Valparaiso just after the independence.

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl View Post

    Hmm, this is some piece of news...Chileans predominantly "white"? What a surprise, I thought that Chile remained predominantly mestizo, a legacy from Colonial times -and having this "thought" (which I hold more as a fact rather than a "thought" ) confirmed by relatives who have been there, and from the Chileans (from diverse social backgrounds) I've actually met, I'm dumbfounded by what you've written.
    Oh, another thing: bear in mind that the rank and file of all South American armies are and have been of mixed racial origins (mestizos and/or mulattoes). So, most of the times it was "cholos" vs. "cholos"...The only "white" units were mercenaries from Europe (often Germans). There may have been some other exceptions throughout "our" (I hate to generalize like this) history, but what I’ve said applies to the whole of Latin America.




    Well, "expanisonism" can be seen from both sides. All you "own" from Chiloé southwards is because of Chilean expansionism and opportunism. While in Colonial times those territories belonged to the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata" and were not part of the "Capitanía de Chile" (which would later be "Chile"), once we broke free from the Spainiards we (Argentineans), as former seat of the Viceroyalty, inherited such territories. However, this was all theoretical for Spanish civilization had never reached such unexplored corners. It was in the 1840's, if I recall correctly, when, urged by an Argie, Domingo F. Sarmiento (who would later become President of Argentina), Chileans sent expeditions to take such lands from the natives. Well, the whole history is much more complex, to be more thorough we should go through all the later territorial disputes…but the point is that initial claim was certainly ours, and thus we can see where true "expansionism" came from.
    Well, speaking of territories, I think we should bomb Acre to the ground till it becomes a lake, lake Acre, what do you think? We can use some machines to dig on it till we have a little internal sea in South America. Besides, nobody wants Acre anyway, except the bolivian government. We can drown them in, so that they dont complain anymore about the useless territory that they sold for a horse (according to what their president said).

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Quote Originally Posted by fms panzerfaust View Post
    Well, speaking of territories, I think we should bomb Acre to the ground till it becomes a lake, lake Acre, what do you think? We can use some machines to dig on it till we have a little internal sea in South America. Besides, nobody wants Acre anyway, except the bolivian government. We can drown them in, so that they dont complain anymore about the useless territory that they sold for a horse (according to what their president said).
    I do not know that history... tell me more of that...

    Well, after all... they are just bolindians

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Who has information about the regions of Germany where the settlers came from?

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Well, I am interested in the German communities of both Chile and Argentina. Carlton Coon did mention the word "Cholos" if I am not mistaken and assigned that word to a hybrid population near Terra del Feugo. I do not speak Spanish but in California, "Cholo" means gangster.

    People have told me that the German communities of South America are closed to outsiders in terms of communications. This was especially true after WW2. After a wave of Germans settled there in the late 1940's it seems that a curtain was drawn and information was hard to get. For instance, at this time the Chilean-Argentinian border region was settled, in Peron times, by Germans and a Colonia Dignidad, a state within a state, was formed. Nowadays, I have learned that this Colonia Dignidad is run by sexual perverts and gangsters but perhaps that was not always true. I am wondering at the extent of former Nazi penetration into the Andes region of South America and their actual political impact on the two countries there.

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Well, I am interested in the German communities of both Chile and Argentina. Carlton Coon did mention the word "Cholos" if I am not mistaken and assigned that word to a hybrid population near Terra del Feugo. I do not speak Spanish but in California, "Cholo" means gangster.

    People have told me that the German communities of South America are closed to outsiders in terms of communications. This was especially true after WW2. After a wave of Germans settled there in the late 1940's it seems that a curtain was drawn and information was hard to get. For instance, at this time the Chilean-Argentinian border region was settled, in Peron times, by Germans and a Colonia Dignidad, a state within a state, was formed. Nowadays, I have learned that this Colonia Dignidad is run by sexual perverts and gangsters but perhaps that was not always true. I am wondering at the extent of former Nazi penetration into the Andes region of South America and their actual political impact on the two countries there.



    I don't know what cholo means but is a word used by some chileans i've heard on tv.

    About Germans don't mixing with other populations in Argentina. Well, that's not true in the case of big cities where German surnames which are indeed the most popular surnames in Buenos AIres, after Italian first and Spanish (including Basques), tho slavic names (Russian, Polish) come close. You can find plenty of people of with German surnames but who are also part italian, spanish, french, etc.

    Now in the case of German towns founding by Germans, the traditional and cultural values are more presevedthat happen in any small cities and towns always i guess, while in a big city like Buenos Aires where you can find like 30 ethnicities living together you can hardly expect a true cultural preservation without mix with the other ethnicities.

    In Center Argentina, the second most important oktoberfest in L. America is celebrated while Brazil has the biggest outside of Germany. in a city like Gral. Belgrano where most of the people is German. Most of the Volga Germans that account for over a million live in northeast Argentina.

    Another city founded by Germans immigrants but also by immigrant from Switzerland, France, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg was Esperanza in center Argentina in the mid-19th, its population obviously mixed between them. It was one of the first cities to be founded in 1840, second in the province.

    While in the Argentinian Patagonia (that accounts for more than 2/3 of the Patagonia) was in fact founded for both German and Swiss (and Austrians in the case of Bariloche, probably the most important city in Patagonia, founded by Carlos Wiederhold), and some nothern Italians too, after the "Conquest of the desert", (a controversial campaign by the Argentine government, to eliminated the region's nomad aborigen tribes). Except for the Chubut province where the most important cities where founded by Welsh Trelew, Gaiman, Pto. Madryn etc...

    in the south you have mennonites village too, but they live in teir own world you know, they hae nothing to do with the construction and population of the country, the govermment also gave them the lands in the 19th century after the conquest of the desert.

    Anyway i'll share this family story a woman, neighbor of mine who great-gradfather (who was German and his wife too) back in the late 19th was a soldier at the Fortines (fortresses) who fight against indians who attacked cities and kill people. Her daughter wanted to marry this man who was part indian, and his dad who was quite rich get angry with her he left her without the herency and left her in the streets.

    I guess that was a time when you could be racialist without people think you were the worst person on earth.

    The other time i only said to a girl immigration should be controled and she freak out and almost told me i was the worst kind of racist).

    I guess that if you avoid you daughter marry a black man you'll be hated for the rest of your life!
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    Well I´m new in Skadi Forum, I´m from Südchile, Región de Los Lagos, and I didn´t that in this forum the chilean germans having a space

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    Proposal to German Chilean Community

    Now days the German community in Chile is not organized and so separate, we need united for our future in Chilean society. Especially in south Chile, because the South is our Land. Here our great father created a new civilization and today the Chilean centralist “culture” destroyed this beautiful project.
    I propose that we’ll create a German virtual community by a blog or I don’t know, with our history, our tradition and our presence in the society, and with this site, we maybe, will be know new German people in Chile and organization a German Group. This Chilean German people will be so, so respectful with the Kaiserreich period.

    What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jote View Post
    Who has information about the regions of Germany where the settlers came from?
    hi, if Settlers are "colonos", they came from Hamburg principaly and Saxony and Bavaria (Valdivia, they`re catholic).

    bye
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    Re: German community in Chile

    As far as I know the only countries in south america predominantly whites are uruguay and argentina

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    Re: German community in Chile

    Well, I am interested in the German communities of both Chile and Argentina. Carlton Coon did mention the word "Cholos" if I am not mistaken and assigned that word to a hybrid population near Terra del Feugo. I do not speak Spanish but in California, "Cholo" means gangster.
    About cholo word, it means mestizo, but in Peru is flexible, to europids, it means mestizos and indians, to mestizos it means darker mestizos and to darker mestizos means indians, is a despective word, and if you feel superior of other one you say him cholo, I use to say, if you are not white nor black nor aisatic you are cholo.

    Is also a cultural term too, to the culture of mestizaje, but officialy everybody is cholo in Peru (in schools as an example, remember that there are 15% of minorities whites, blacks, asiatics, etc) in fact there are not stadistics 15% is my personal guess.

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