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    Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    This is why I mentioned Gravitational Theory instead of Gravity in my original post.
    You're right. It was Suut who mentioned gravity.

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    Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    People who don't blindly accept macroevolution as fact aren't necessarily "anti-evolutionists". And they don't necessarily have to discount it as a possibility. Maybe they are merely remaining skeptical, or keeping an open mind, so as to not discount other possibilities.
    True, skepticism and an open mind are good things (both sides would do well to learn this), but is it really blind acceptance when there is an abundance of evidence to support it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    But the existance of earlier hominids proves nothing anyway. So maybe that's why "anti-evolutionists" don't feel inclined to explain them.... they are irrelevant.
    But detractors constantly hound scientists for transitionary forms, and promote to the general public that none exist. If these earlier hominids are transitionary forms, to an extent, how are they irrelevant to the discussion?
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    Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    You're right. It was Suut who mentioned gravity.
    Ah, sorry then. My appologies.
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    AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sciz View Post

    Agreed. It at least deserves a read. Though, in the end a modification, it's still evolution. Out of curiosity, what exactly did you find so disagreeable in Dawkin's book?

    As before, I'm open to new ideas as to the origin of life besides evolution, but as of yet, the detractors haven't given a scientifically sound alternative. For the most part, I get:

    1. "Nuh-Uh! I didn't come from no monkey!"
    Well, no, but I'm sure once you actually learn to read and take a look at the research, you'll find that's not what it's saying.

    2. "Evolution=Atheism and Materialism, so Intelligent Design is the real answer. Where science and the Bible don't agree, science is clearly wrong."
    Intelligent Design is a comforting philosophy for many to have, I agree. The problem with intelligent design is that those who created it, did not do so intelligently. It is a "God of the gaps" hypothesis. It states that where our scientific knowledge is lacking, is where God intervened. Beyond just being plain intellectually lazy, it's also scientifically untestable because it deals with a force that resides outside of nature. If it can't be tested scientifically, it can't be considered a scientific hypothesis. A philosophy, yes, but not science.
    The disagreeable part was first of all his whole argumentation and the way he did it. Genes are something totally dead like minerals. Does anybody speak about the evolution of minerals? Assuming evolution is a general idea is true (there is no better explaination at the moment) we can still only talk about evolution when we talk about living beings. Another strange thing was that he always used analogies of living beings when actually talks about stone-like things but at the same time he admits that they are just stone like things. As I said, plain cow pat.

    I for myself have already stated why I voted no. I don't believe at all. I know about facts and I consider theories but I do not believe in theories.

    I do not think that there are any connections between the evolution theory and a possible (in)existence of God(s). I am definatly not following creationism I just state that human knowledge is not really big and that we're just little 3dimensional beings trying to find out the truth from our tiny perspective and that eventually our conclusions might not always be true.
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    Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    although I think are many natural historical dogmatism and misconceptions in some of darwinian evolution, their is still plenty of scientific truth to the survival of the fittest, dominant species and genetic progress of life on earth and a way of explaining our enviroment and the progress of organic life

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    AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminatus View Post
    Actually masses do not really attract eachother. A mass curves space (and time). Imagine the universe as a two dimensional elastic surface. You place a bigger sphere on it and around the sphere the surface forms a bulge downwards. If you now place smaller spheres around it they will roll down the depression to the bigger sphere
    Wow, I thought you don't believe in theories? And why are you presenting this to me as a fact?
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    AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    Wow, I thought you don't believe in theories? And why are you presenting this to me as a fact?
    Despite your post was just of the nature of contrariness I just explained the modern view on gravitation theory which is actually part of the general relativity theory of Einstein.
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    AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    People who don't blindly accept macroevolution as fact aren't necessarily "anti-evolutionists". And they don't necessarily have to discount it as a possibility. Maybe they are merely remaining skeptical, or keeping an open mind, so as to not discount other possibilities.
    That is perfectly valid, but that is exactly what I wanted to say with my first statement about discarding race. If you believe in Evolution this does not mean by any standard that this is absolut, theories are dynamic, and if there is a better it is no problem to discard the old, that is it what makes the big difference to religious anti-evolutioinists!
    Again, by believing in Evolution this does not mean to close your mind to other scientific explanations!

    A POV based on a logical premise is easily changed by refuting the logic behind the premise, a pov based on mere believe (e.g. religion) is almost impossible to change in this regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminatus
    Despite your post was just of the nature of contrariness I just explained the modern view on gravitation theory which is actually part of the general relativity theory of Einstein.
    Next time you should indicate that
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    Re: AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    I know about facts and I consider theories but I do not believe in theories.
    I agree with this.... I consider theories (even unlikely ones), but that doesn't mean that I will commit myself to "believing" in any of them.


    If you believe in Evolution this does not mean by any standard that this is absolut, theories are dynamic, and if there is a better it is no problem to discard the old, that is it what makes the big difference to religious anti-evolutioinists!
    Again, by believing in Evolution this does not mean to close your mind to other scientific explanations!
    Perhaps that's just a personality difference between you and me Jager. I'm a bit of an "all or nothing" person. LOL And I think that committing yourself to believing in something does, to a degree, close off your mind to other options. Or certainly, it makes considering other options less objective, as when you believe in something you are in a sense investing (intellectually and/or emotionally) in it. So if I were to really believe in something (which to me seems more in line with the religious zealots, as "belief" without absolute proof requires faith) I would inevitably end up investing time and energy in that (not something I have a lot of with 3 young kids).... yet to find out that it's all crap and I was way off the mark is not an attractive prospect. So instead, I consider all possibilities, (even far-fetched, fantastical ones) and commit myself to nothing.

    At the end of the day, unless something can be quantified, we can never be sure if we're "barking up the wrong tree" or not.

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    Re: AW: Re: Do you believe in Evolution?

    Maybe a better question would have been, "What do you think of Evolution?" and then had several answers from "I believe in it" - "I don't discount it, I consider the possibility, but don't commit myself to believing in it either" - "No, I don't even consider it as a possibility because I am a creationist" ect etc...???

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