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    Post Jomon-Ainu (Caucasian?) X Yayoi (Mongoloid?) in Ancient Japan

    Physically, the Ainu differed from Japanese and other nearby Asian peoples in language and especially in appearance; their eyes were deep-set, their bodies muscular and hairy.

    www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/ainu/html/room01.html

    http://digilander.libero.it/hogaku/s.../politica.html

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    Satoshi Horai, a scholar, argues that modern Japanese are a mix of about 35 percent Jomon and 65 percent Yayoi. That would mean that Japanese are descended mostly from Chinese and Koreans but also have an important Jomon component.

    "The recent DNA studies clearly indicate the close genetic relationship between the Japanese on the main islands and the Koreans in particular," said Keiichi Omoto, a leading scholar on the origins of Japanese.

    Scholars note that despite the perception in Japan and abroad that Japanese are homogeneous, there is considerable regional variation in physical appearance. In particular, Japanese in northern provinces tend to have rounder eyes and more body hair and wider faces, traits that may suggest a bit more Jomon heritage.

    A museum at the site in Aomori offers a computer screen to advise visitors on the proportion of their blood that comes from the Jomon, based on their eyes and body hair and other characteristics.

    "People in northern Japan can be 60 to 80 percent of Jomon origin, while those from western or southern Japan are 40 percent Jomon or less," said Okada, the archeologist. He added: "The Jomon people were the real ancestors of the Japanese. They formed the base."

    http://www.ishipress.com/aomori.htm
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    During the last century, anthropologists have fiercely debated whether the Jomon or the Yayoi were the true ancestors of the modern Japanese. For most of this debate's history, scientists have addressed the issue by comparing Asian languages, analyzing archaeological ruins, and measuring dental or other skeletal remains.

    Over the last few years, another kind of evidence has begun to have an impact on the debate. By studying the genes of modern Japanese and of other Asians, and even the ancient DNA in the fossilized bones of the Jomon and the Yayoi, investigators hope to put together a genetic history of Japan. Researchers have recently examined, for example, the Y chromosomes of people throughout Asia

    In conjunction with other historical evidence, the new work suggests that the Jomon did not originate in Southeast Asia, as one long-standing theory has it. but farther north. The research also sheds light on the extent to which the Jomon and the Yayoi have influenced the genetic makeup of modern Japanese.

    "Our data clearly show that both Yayoi and Jomon genes have made a contribution to the contemporary gene pool," says Michael F. Hammer, who presented the Y chromosome research in October 1996 at the American Society of Human Genetics meeting in San Francisco.

    http://www.pitt.edu/~annj/courses/no...mon_genes.html

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    THE AINU IN JAPAN

    The Ainu are most commonly called an aboriginal people of Japan, occupying parts of the Japanese island of Hokkaido and the Russian islands of the Kurils and Sakhalin (which used to be Japanese territory).

    The most striking thing about the Ainu is that they differ still to this day physically and linguistically from the rest of the Japanese population.

    Although full blooded Ainu are scarce due to a large amount of intermarriage, the Ainu display in fact distinct traces of White ancestry - typical Ainu have a long skull, a light complexion, a heavy beard (facial hair is virtually unknown amongst the pure Mongolian races) and thick, wavy hair. The Ainu are famous amongst the Japanese for having body hair as well - so that they are derogatively called the "hairy Ainu". Only one other race on earth possesses body hair to this extent - the White Race.


    "pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese." Brace studied the skeletons of about 1100 Japanese, Ainu, and other Asian ethnic groups and has concluded that the revered samurai of Japan are actually descendants of the Ainu, not of the Yayoi (original Mongolian) from whom most modern Japanese are descended. Brace said further that "...this explains why the facial features of the Japanese ruling class are so often unlike those of typical modern Japanese. The Ainu-related samurai achieved such power and prestige in medieval Japan that they intermarried with royalty and nobility, passing on Ainu blood in the upper classes, while other Japanese were primarily descended from the Yayoi."

    http://www.white-history.com/hwr6a.htm
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    Two completely different theories are currently proposed concerning the origin of the Jomon people. According to the analysis of the skeletal remains, the Jomon people closely resembled the Wajak Man from Indonesia, and the dental characteristics are similar to Southeast Asians living today. Outwardly, the Jomon seems to have originated in the south. On the other hand, the Ainu people, considered to be a direct descendent of the Jomon were found to be genetically closer to the Northeast Asians than the people of the southeast. From a genetic perspective, the Jomon people seem to have arrived from the north. What then, do these paradoxical facts imply? The following is a virtual scenario to resolve the mysterious origin of the Northeast Asian people [Northern Northeast Asians].

    People bearing resemblance to the modern-day Southeast Asians had flourished extensively over the Asian continent about 30 to 40 thousand years ago. These people were long-limbed and characterized by clear-cut facial features, double-edged eyelids and thick eyebrows. However, the people in the northeast seemed to have been genetically distinct from the people of the southeast. Then, the ice age set in about 10 to 20 thousand years ago. A band of the Northeast Asians ventured into Siberia during this period and their facial features and physique rapidly underwent a series of changes to survive in the harsh, cold environment. These people acquired flattened features, single-edged eyelids, thin eyebrows, and shortened limbs with longer trunks. Through this adaptation to the arctic climate, they became Northern Asians [Northern Northeast Asians]. Several thousand years ago, the Northern Asians began to advance southward from Siberia, eventually spreading to the entire Northeast Asia. The modern-day Northeast Asians are the descendents of these people. The outflow of Northeast Asians forced the previous residents of the region -- the people with clear-cut features [Southern Northeast Asians] to migrate to the south, and a group of such immigrants became the Jomon people.

    This hypothesis can explain the conflicting facts about the Jomon people, an overall appearance and facial features resembling Southeast Asians and the genetic kinship to the Northeast Asians.


    http://www.saitama-kenpaku.com/jinru...E/column02.htm
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    As for the southern physical characteristics of the Jomon, I wonder about wether this has anything to do with the Austronesian influence in the Japanese language and the pre-Yayoi cultivation of crops in western Japan. Western Japan is situated at the northern end of the laurel forest zone characterizing southeast Asia, in which the conditions allow tropical East Asian agriculture to be widely distributed. It would be logical that Austronesians (or at least their crops) would arrive here with the Austronesian expansion that started at around 3000 BC.

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    December 11, 2003
    Differentials of Yayoi immigration to Japanas derived from dental metrics
    HOMO, December 2001, vol. 52, no. 2, pp. 135-156(22)

    Matsumura H.

    Abstract

    A major influx of new people, today termed Yayoi, migrated from the East Asian continent into the Japanese archipelago during the Aeneolithic and Protohistoric periods and interbred with the preexisting Jomon people. This study classifies ancient and more modern Japanese into natives or immigrants using discriminant analysis based on dental measurements in order to reconstruct the initial impact of the immigrants and the temporal and geographical differentials of mixture with the preexisting people. The results suggest that the earliest immigrants diffused into central Japan, including the Kanto region. The proportion of immigrant origin in the protohistoric Kofun was less in eastern Japan (72%) as compared to western Japan (81%–90%). The proportion of the immigrants in the Kanto District decreased during the medieval period (63%) and increased again in the early modern Edo and later modern times (75%), which might indicate that the gene flow still was occurring from west to east even in these times. Assuming the estimated proportions of either group reflect the intermixture ratio, the recent Japanese people may be regarded as hybrid of the native and immigrant groups with the following approximate ratios: 1:3 for the Kanto Japanese, 2:3 for the Ryukyu Islanders and 7:3 for the Hokkaido Ainu. These estimations support the «dual structure model» formed by Hanihara (1991) for explaining the population history of Japan.

    http://www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000448.html

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    I would say theres high posibility in the Mongoloids being derrivitive of the Caucasian, seeing as how they are more developed than some caucasoids who have longer limbs like monkeys, heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    I would say theres high posibility in the Mongoloids being derrivitive of the Caucasian, seeing as how they are more developed than some caucasoids who have longer limbs like monkeys, heh.

    Molecular genetic analysis of remains of a 2,000-year-old human population in China-and its relevance for the origin of the modern Japanese population.

    Oota H, Saitou N, Matsushita T, Ueda S.

    Department of Biological Sciences, Graduate School of Science, University of Tokyo, Japan.

    We extracted DNA from the human remains excavated from the Yixi site ( approximately 2,000 years before the present) in the Shandong peninsula of China and, through PCR amplification, determined nucleotide sequences of their mitochondrial D-loop regions. Nucleotide diversity of the ancient Yixi people was similar to those of modern populations. Modern humans in Asia and the circum-Pacific region are divided into six radiation groups, on the basis of the phylogenetic network constructed by means of 414 mtDNA types from 1, 298 individuals. We compared the ancient Yixi people with the modern Asian and the circum-Pacific populations, using two indices: frequency distribution of the radiation groups and genetic distances among populations. Both revealed that the closest genetic relatedness is between the ancient Yixi people and the modern Taiwan Han Chinese. The Yixi people show closer genetic affinity with Mongolians, mainland Japanese, and Koreans than with Ainu and Ryukyu Japanese and less genetic resemblance with Jomon people and Yayoi people, their predecessors and contemporaries, respectively, in ancient Japan.

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    Post Re: Jomon-Ainu (caucasian?) X Yayoi (mongoloid?) in ancient Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Satoshi Horai, a scholar, argues that modern Japanese are a mix of about 35 percent Jomon and 65 percent Yayoi. That would mean that Japanese are descended mostly from Chinese and Koreans but also have an important Jomon component.
    Modern Japanese have 26% Chinese blood, 24% Korean blood, 21% Polynesian blood, 16% Okinawan blood, 8% Ainu blood and 5% ancient Japanese blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiko
    Modern Japanese have 26% Chinese blood, 24% Korean blood, 21% Polynesian blood, 16% Okinawan blood, 8% Ainu blood and 5% ancient Japanese blood.

    What do you mean by ancient Japanese?
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    Years ago a girl of Japanese ancestry in a college class said her grandmother had grey eyes and, therefore, was suspected of having Ainu ancestry. Apparently the Ainu had lighter eyes than latter Japanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    The Yixi people show closer genetic affinity with Mongolians, mainland Japanese, and Koreans than with Ainu and Ryukyu Japanese and less genetic resemblance with Jomon people and Yayoi people, their predecessors and contemporaries, respectively, in ancient Japan.
    Can you show me what a Ryukyuan loks like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Can you show me what a Ryukyuan loks like?

    The Ryukyan people resemble the Japanese closely





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    Yukio Dodo1, Naomi Doi2, and Osamu Kondo3


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    1 Department of Anatomy and Anthropology, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai
    2 Department of Anatomy, University of the Ryukyus, Okinawa
    3 Department of Biological Sciences (Anthropology), University of Tokyo, Tokyo



    Abstract Following the method of Yamaguchi (1973), a series of facial flatness measurements were taken from crania from the islands of Amami, Okinawa and Sakishima of the Ryukyu Islands. These measurements were compared with each other and with measurements of cranial series from other Japanese Islands, insular and continental Northeast Asia and Europe. Among the three Ryukyuan samples, the facial skeletons of Sakishima are least flattened. Nevertheless, the Ryukyuans as a whole show far flatter faces than Ainu. The extent of Ryukyuan facial flatness is comparable to that of the so-called gNorthern Mongoloidh. In addition to the previous cranial nonmetric study (Dodo and others, 1998), the present study of facial flatness also does not give any indication of a close affinity between the Ainu and Ryukyuans.




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    Yukio Dodo1, Naomi Doi2, and Osamu Kond3

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    1 Department of Anatomy and Anthropology, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai
    2 Department of Anatomy, University of the Ryukyus, Okinawa
    2 Department of Biological Sciences (Anthropology), Graduate School of Science, University of Tokyo, Tokyo



    Abstract Eighteen cranial measurements including 6 flatness measurements of the facial skeleton were taken for crania from the Amami, Okinawa, and Sakishima Islands, which constitute the Ryukyu Islands. The data will be useful for future multivariate statstical analyses of Ryukyuan crania.


    source : The Anthropological Society of Nippon

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