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    Arrow The Germans of Brazil

    Brazil started attracting European migrants for two reasons: the gradual abolition of slavery during a period of agricultural expansion, and a racial desire of 'whitening' the country's population, an unspoken thesis which became quite outspoken in the early 20th century.

    Its prime exponent was Oliveira Vianna who, in a series of books, professed the view that the Blacks are an inferior race and dragged Brazil downwards—only Aryanization could help the country.

    There's a self-congratulatory sign before Itajaí: "500 years em paz—Parabéns, Brazil". (500 years in peace—Congratulations, Brazil). Have these people never been to school? There have been hundreds of conflicts in this country.

    The Italians, who made up about 50% of new arrivals, any Spanish who made the move and of course the steady wave of mainland Portuguese were acculturated easily. Not so the Germans, who formed the fourth largest immigrant group, for the language was very different, their customs Northern European and their demeanor more exclusive.

    They started building their own schools in their own towns and only learned sufficient Portuguese to communicate outside their sheltered existence which under other circumstances might have been called a ghetto. This isolationism combined with the doctrine of Pan-Germanism in Europe, which fuelled Prussian expansion in the end of the 19th century and continued in Hitler's time, created mistrust between the German immigrants and the Portuguese establishment.

    www.brazzil.com/blaapr02.htm

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    The first group of German immigrants arrived in Brazil shortly after the country became independent, as part of a settlement programme devised by the Brazilian Government to develop agriculture and ensure settlement in the southern tip of the country.

    The concentration of German immigrants in the southern region coupled with the fact that they maintained their language and cultural traditions, besides establishing a Germanized press, schooling system and a clutch of associations, paved the way for the emergence of a Teuto-Brazilian ethnic identity. The immigrants and their offspring thus generated a sense of belonging, first and foremost, to an ethnic group characterized by its German origin.

    This attitude led to a long series of conflicts with the rest of Brazilian society culminating in the nationalization campaign sponsored by Getúlio Vargas' Estado Novo régime (1937-1945) to speed up the process of assimilation. The ideals underpinning the German community's sense of ethnic identity, though toned down somewhat, did not entirely fade after World War II. Indeed, it is still perceptible in the areas predominantly settled by Germans in Brazil.

    http://www.mre.gov.br/cdbrasil/itama...maes/index.htm


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    In case of an "extra continental" (italics sic) war, Brazil could only defend itself with a preventative policy. Internally, it would have to control the immigrant population, spreading it throughout the country to avoid concentrations of those with the same origins, neutralizing direct assistance from foreign governments, forbidding foreign colonization companies, insisting on obligatory teaching and use of Portuguese, and imposing an "intense nationalization" (italics sic) of those born in Brazil to cut their ties to the countries of origin

    http://www.tau.ac.il/eial/VI_2/mccann.htm

    http://an.uol.com.br/2001/jul/15/0ger.htm

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    In Brazil, blond-haired Caucasians are called "Alemao" (which means "German") and blacks are called Bahiano. But not all blond-haired Caucasians are German. Anglo-Saxons, Jews, and Russians are also blond, but Brazilians don't care about this at all. And it appears that Israeli- and Russian-Brazilians don't mind being called "Alemao"

    http://www.gse2660.com/gse96/2660eb/Hasegaw.htm

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    German immigration to Brazil

    German immigration to Brazil started in 1824 -- just after Brazil won independence from Portugal -- as a result of Brazilian Emperor Dom Pedro I's (1798-1834) need to populate uninhabited regions of the huge country. Such regions were being disputed with neighbouring countries such as Argentina and Paraguay. Uruguay was just becoming independent. Those countries were by then former Spanish colonies, as all of South America was becoming independent, and all of them were interested in receiving European knowledge, expertise and labor.

    Some Brazilian states received higher inflows of Germans than others. Such was the case in Rio Grande do Sul, where the first "wave" of immigrants was settled in the 1820s. In 1827, a group of Germans migrated to Brazil from the region of Trier. This was the first official German migration to Brazil. Part of this group (mainly Catholic married men) came to the farm called "Fazenda Guarei," which is today a small town in the state of São Paulo called Guarei. These Germans are considered the founders of Guarei.

    A second "wave" went to Santa Catarina in the 1850s, but also to Rio de Janeiro, in smaller number, mainly to a city called Petropolis, where the Emperor Dom Pedro II's summer house (nowadays the Imperial Museum) was located. Other German immigration waves occurred in the 1890s, as well as after the First and Second World War. The latter emigres were not necessarily only refugees, but also people who were tired of the war. They had different destinations: to the states of Sao Paulo, to Paraná, and to the other Brazilian states.


    http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/WELT/brasil.html

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    ''One of the strange things that happened in Brazil was miscegenation. While in North America one can observe immigrant nucleus living in a kind of isolation, in Brazil its very common to trace your heritage having to appeal to Germans, Italians, French, Portuguese, and so on.

    Probably one of the reasons for the fast integration of the German and Italian colonies were the Second World War. Brazil fought with the allies, and so German and Italian languages were prohibited in schools.

    Nevertheless, even now, there are small cities where Italian and German are spoken in the streets and cafés. The uncle of one of us learned to speak Portuguese only at twelve, keeping his Dusseldorf accent.''

    http://cyberg.curtin.edu.au/members/papers/32.shtml

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    The Brazilian Dictator Getúlio Dornelles Vargas was from the Southern state of Rio Grande do Sul, like most white Brazilians Getulio didn't identified himself with any European group, he was a Brazilian Nationalist and he wanted to promote nationalism in Brazil because he didn't want Brazil to be divided between different groups.

    Although there are many rumors that say Getulio secretly admired Mussolini, Italy and Germany were still enemy nations after Brazil declared war on them, and also promoting Brazilian nationalism between the imigrants of those countries (and any other European country) was the best way to ensure they would fit in with the other white Brazilians.

    However Getulio didn't promote any race-mixing with non-white groups, like most Brazilians of that time he was white, and he didn't want to mix with non-whites, the Penal Code of 1940 doesn't say anything about racism or prejudice, making it legal, and in one of his most famous speechs in 1939 he says:

    "We have a destiny to accomplish, we have a large territory, we have the same racial origin, we speak the same language, we have the same history, the same religion, the same social formation, the same feelings of nation unity. We must populate, work, educate, construct, build wealth, develop our culture, and fortify the National conscience."

    Blacks, mestiços, Japs, and Amerindians, obviously don't have the same racial origin, history, and social formation of white Brazilians, Getulio clearly gave this speech to the white Brazilians, who were the majority during that time.

    Getulio Vargas the the greatest leader Brazil ever had, Brazil had its best years when he was a dictator, he is the guy in my new avatar.

    The Brazilian government only started to promote multiracial integrity later on in the 1950's to now.
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    Brazilian ''whites'' ( Germans, Portugueses, Italians...) don´t have the same racial origin too.

    Brazilian nationalists under Vargas forged and propagated an all-inclusive national identity which promoted the idea of a racially harmonious Brazilian national family that include racial mixing. Vargas' generation succeeded in encouraging Brazilians to identify with `the nation' above other possible communities such as racial, ethnic or regional ones. In the process, nationalists marginalized white europeans cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Brazilian ''whites'' ( Germans, Portugueses, Italians...) don´t have the same racial origin too.
    Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    Brazilian nationalists under Vargas forged and propagated an all-inclusive national identity which promoted the idea of a racially harmonious Brazilian national family that include racial mixing. Vargas' generation succeeded in encouraging Brazilians to identify with `the nation' above other possible communities such as racial, ethnic or regional ones. In the process, nationalists marginalized white europeans cultures
    He didn't promote race mixing, he didn't care that much about other races, Brazil was a white country during that time.
    and here we speak Portuguese, its our only official language, people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here, people were always allowed to speak whatever language they wanted to, but all schools must use Portuguese as the first language, and he didn't ruin European culture either, European culture is still very strong in Brazil, many small cities still use Italian and German as their second language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necronomicom
    Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.
    ''Vargas' leadership received Afro-Brazilians support because of the perception that the new era would loosen the control of the rural oligarchs and produce new opportunities for Afro-Brazilian political participation. But his leadership had a particular and long-lasting effect on the political culture and ideology of race in Brazil. The idea of the Brazilian "racial democracy" became the official doctrine of the Vargas regime and its successors''

    ''Vargas hoped that Brazilian cultural nationalism would unify the diverse political and economic interests among the various factions in Brazilian society. He became a major proponent of the race-relations school of thought promoted by intellectuals like Gilberto Freyre and others. Freyre and his colleagues argued that Brazilians formed a "new race" in the tropics, a "new people" of mixed origins.

    Brazilian nationalism of the 1920s attempted to put a positive spin the degree of racial miscegenation in the population. Gilberto Freyre's theory of Lusotropicalism and Lusophonic exceptionalism maintained the idea that Portuguese culture and "racial tolerance" were responsible for the development of a Brazilian racial paradise''

    ''Despite the officially endorsed doctrine of the racial democracy, Afro-Brazilians continued their efforts to develop a political presence and force in the early years of the 1930s. The Frente Negra (Negro Front) was organized in September 1930 in São Paulo. ''


    http://www.brazil-brasil.com/blajan99.htm

    The pictures I posted represents Brazilian ''racial democracy '' and ''brazilian paradise''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necronomicom
    Like most politicians Vargas didn't differ the different sub-races that are part of the "white" race, if Germans wanted special treatment they should have stayed in Germany.

    He didn't promote race mixing, he didn't care that much about other races, Brazil was a white country during that time. and here we speak Portuguese, its our only official language, people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here, people were always allowed to speak whatever language they wanted to, but all schools must use Portuguese as the first language, and he didn't ruin European culture either, European culture is still very strong in Brazil, many small cities still use Italian and German as their second language.
    ''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.

    When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing, like occurs in Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    He became a major proponent of the race-relations school of thought promoted by intellectuals like Gilberto Freyre and others
    Gilberto Freyre was against the Government, meaning he didn't get along with Vargas very well, and if the Government was so much into multiracial integrity why Gilberto Freyre got arrested for writing against racism???

    1942
    (Gilberto Freyre) É preso no Recife, por ter denunciado, em artigo publicado no Rio de Janeiro, atividades nazistas e racistas no Brasil, inclusive as de um padre alemão a quem foi confiada, pelo governo do Estado de Pernambuco, a formação de jovens escoteiros.


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    Toma parte ativa, ao lado dos estudantes do Recife, na campanha pela candidatura do Brigadeiro Eduardo Gomes à presidência da República. Fala em comícios, escreve artigos, anima os estudante na luta contra a Ditadura.


    http://www.fundaj.gov.br/docs/freyre/gf41.html

    also if Getulio wanted to promote multiracial integrity why would he close the AIB (Ação Integralista Brasileira) that promoted multiracial integridy? and also close down all left-wing parties?


    ''Despite the officially endorsed doctrine of the racial democracy, Afro-Brazilians continued their efforts to develop a political presence and force in the early years of the 1930s. The Frente Negra (Negro Front) was organized in September 1930 in São Paulo. ''
    Both white people and black people from Sao paulo during that time hated Vargas, Sao Paulo even had a black battalion to fight against Varga's federal troops.


    the pictures I posted represents Brazilian ''racial democracy '' and ''brazilian paradise''
    The Brazilians in the pictures you posted were not even born during Varga's dictatorship, except for Pelé who was like 3 years old during that time...

    ''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.
    Cultural and language preservation is one thing, making no efforts to learn our language is another

    you should also realise that during that time Italy and Germany were enemy nations, its never a good thing to have nacionalists from enemy nations in your own nation. Life for the Russian and Polish people who lived in National Socialist Germany was no fun either.

    When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing,
    like occurs in Brazil.
    not true, many second and third generation German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Russian-Americans, French-American, etc, don't go around mixing with other races just because they don't speak their ancestor's language.

    also in South Brazil, where most germans went, and also many italians, whites were always the majority, there was few non-whites living there during varga's regime, and even today South Brazil has a white majority, despise the fact that most Italian and German Brazilians don't speak Italian and German.

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    Post Re: Brazilian politics against German cultural and racial preservation

    Quote:''also if Getulio wanted to promote multiracial integrity why would he close the AIB (Ação Integralista Brasileira) that promoted multiracial integridy? and also close down all left-wing parties?''

    A = Getulio promoted multirracial integrity promoving the destruction of european cultures. And yes, he was against AIB ... dictators don't tolerate political competition.





    Quote :The Brazilians in the pictures you posted were not even born during Varga's dictatorship, except for Pelé who was like 3 years old during that time...

    A = The pictures shows the actual situation In Brazil, consequence of centuries of brazilian politics against european Racial/Cultural preservation that Include Varga's time.
    In den dreißiger Jahren erfolgte die sogenannte Nationalisierung durch die Zentralregierung in allen von Deutschen kolonisierten Regionen, die die Nationale Identität und Souveränität erreichen sollte. Sie bewirkte jedoch im Gegenteil große Risse in der örtlichen Kultur und hinterlies tiefe Veränderungen im Vereinsleben.


    Quote: ''people who don't want to learn it are not welcome to live here''...so we conclude that Italians and Germans, if they want to preserve their own culture and language are not welcome in Brazil.
    Cultural and language preservation is one thing, making no efforts to learn our language is another

    A = Die Regierung von Getulio Vargas, besorgt wegen dem Einfluß der Nazis in den deutsch besiedelten Regionen im Süden des Landes, verbot jede geringste Äußerung der deutschen Kultur. Die deutsche Sprache wurde in den Schulen, Kirchen und in der Öffentlichkeit verboten, und die Schul-, Kultur- und Schützenvereine, die zum Teil seit 1890 bestanden, wurden geschlossen. Die Intoleranz war so groß, daß Männer und Frauen, die keinerlei politische oder gar kriminelle Aktivität ausübten, verhaftet wurden, nur weil sie Deutsch sprachen oder Bibeln in deutscher Sprache besaßen. Ja, es mußten sogar Ortschaften umbenannt werden, um den deutschen Ursprung zu verschleiern



    Quote: ''When you destroy the original´s people language, you destroy their own culture, opening a way to racial mixing,
    like occurs in Brazil. ''
    not true, many second and third generation German-Americans, Italian-Americans, Russian-Americans, French-American, etc, don't go around mixing with other races just because they don't speak their ancestor's language.

    A= I think you are not atualized about USA's racial situation...

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