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    Question Russian Alcoholism and the "Mongoloid Gene"

    Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

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    SCIENTISTS researching cures for alcoholism and hangovers say that they have found a genetic link between Russians’ traditional weakness for drink and the marauding Mongol armies of Genghis Khan.

    As many as 50 per cent of Muscovites are estimated to have inherited Mongol genes that make them absorb more alcohol into the bloodstream and break it down at a slower rate than most Europeans, they say.

    That means that they get more drunk and have worse hangovers, and are more likely to become addicted to alcohol, given Russia’s taste for vodka, its harsh climate and the social and economic chaos after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    “The difference is huge — in reaction speed, memory, hand tremor — and in how they recover,” Vladimir Nuzhny, of the Health Ministry’s National Narcology Research Centre, said. “On average, 50 per cent of people in Moscow have this Mongoloid gene. So this, we think, is part of the problem.”

    As part of the study, the scientists paid 12 volunteer students to drink 350 grams, about a third of a bottle, of vodka in an hour, and then monitored their behaviour.

    “That’s a lot by Western standards, but it’s normal for Russia,” Dr Nuzhny told The Times. “At first they thought it was great, because they were being paid to drink, but after a while they realised it was more like work.”

    The intoxicated students had to perform a series of tests, including answering questionnaires and playing rally-driving computer games, and they were breathalysed at regular intervals. The scientists even measured their ability to stand up straight.

    After sleeping off the effects in a dormitory at the laboratory — which had a karaoke machine — the students were given a slap-up breakfast before doing more tests to measure their hangovers. The study showed that those with the Mongol genes absorbed 50 per cent more alcohol into the bloodstream at peak levels and metabolised it much more slowly than the other students.

    “The way they get drunk is completely different. They are also more likely to feel aggressive or depressed,” Dr Nuzhny said. “They do not necessarily look Mongolian, but the gene that governs how they metabolise alcohol is Mongoloid.”

    The Mongols swept across Asia and Russia and into Europe in the 13th century and ruled Russia for two centuries. Inter-marriage with the Slavs and other ethnic groups was common.

    Scientists have long known that people of Mongol extraction, including Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, have an enzyme for metabolising alcohol that is different from that of Caucasian Europeans.

    Dr Nuzhny claims that his study is the first to look at the effect of alcohol on Russians who have inherited Mongol genes. He says that the phenomenon can be explained partly by evolution. The nomadic Mongols, whose only indigenous form of alcohol was fermented mare’s milk, evolved with a different enzyme from the settled Europeans, with their long tradition of producing stronger grape and grain-based alcohol.

    Dr Nuzhny’s research is partly funded by pharmaceutical companies trying to develop drugs to cure hangovers and alcoholism.

    Russians drink about 15 litres of pure alcohol a head each year, one of the highest rates in the world, and by some estimates one in seven Russians are alcoholics. Alcohol is largely to blame for a fall in life expectancy to less than 59 since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...968936,00.html

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    1. That is a very strange artical... BTW, what is exactly the name of the "Mongolian gene" that was actually never mentioned there???

    2. Had this author seriously investigated this issue he would have realised, that Mongoloids simply can't drink as much as Russians... They would simply die... Thus, it is unlikely to consider any "Mongolian gene" even relevant to this issue...

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    Very old article from Russian yellow press. Been posted numerous times here and elsewhere. 'Klukva' is the proper name for such material.

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    The different rate of alcohol absorption in Russians is explained by the fact that in Russia it was introduced MUCH later than for the rest of Europe. Russians never made wine because of the climate and only started drinking vodka in 16-17 centuries, while the rest of Europe already had a long tradition of alcohol consumption, it has nothing to do with any Chengis Khan genes.

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

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    At 5:18 PM, Anonymous said...

    But what is difficult to explain is that alcoholism does not seem to a huge problem in East Asian communities like the Chinese, Koreans, etcetera (I'm not saying it doesn't exist among these people, but it seems to be less of a problem than in the West or in Russia). So the discrepancy be due to culture?

    Emilia Liz (emilia_e_murphy@yahoo.ca)
    At 3:27 PM, Anonymous said...

    So the discrepancy be due to culture?

    I think the research shows that being mixed race increases your chance of becoming an alcoholic. In this particular case, the mixing happens to involve Russians with some east Asian ancestry.
    At 4:48 PM, sXe_chicana said...

    In response to the first anonymous post. Actually Korea has a very high alcoholism rate. Estimated, by some, to be the highest in the world. Though you are partially correct, China and other SOUTH east Asian countries tend to have very low alcoholism rates. Why this great difference? You must understand the racial differences between Koreans and Chinese. Chinese belong to the southern mongoloid race. Southern Mongoloids tend to have the lowest alcoholism rates in the world, by sharp contrast Northern Mongoloids which include Koreans, Mongolians, Japanese, Indigenous Siberians, Eskimos, and Native Americans have among, if not, the highest alcoholism rates in the entire world. So i find it entirely plausable that alcoholism rates in Russia could be due to these Mongoloid roots. Though the only problem I have with this story is that I find Immigration from Mongolians in the past 1000 years to be the source of this genetic prodisposition to alcoholism a bit weak. I think the roots of this go back MUCH further, to the pre Indo European times. When many of the indigenous people of nowaday's russia were actually Uralic people who were assimilated into the indo european/slavic groups. The Uralic peoples (with origins of northern mongoloids in siberia) prolly have had a much greater impact on the genetic composition of moden day russians than that of the Mongols from the later day Mongol empire. Just a thought, I'm no scientist but it seems more of a plausable explanation to me.

    Well, if you don't like the article, why don't you post your opinion there?

    http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/...loid-gene.html

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    Sv: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    To begin with, the heaviest drinkers in the world are the finns.
    Russians at least have a reason...

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    LOL. Finally my partly pseudo doubts were true.Russians are partly mongoloids.

    And.Btw,finns drink to dark winter depression,we have long and dark winter.Finland is one of the northest countriest of the world and Russia is worlds biggest country where rooms many different climate types.

    And we finns surely are not biggest drinkers of the world.Show me the source for this lie.I admit that we finns drink rather lot but thats not cause we would have this "mongoloid gene" but we drink cause of our poor climate.

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim View Post
    LOL. Finally my partly pseudo doubts were true.Russians are partly mongoloids.

    And.Btw,finns drink to dark winter depression,we have long and dark winter.Finland is one of the northest countriest of the world and Russia is worlds biggest country where rooms many different climate types.

    And we finns surely are not biggest drinkers of the world.Show me the source for this lie.I admit that we finns drink rather lot but thats not cause we would have this "mongoloid gene" but we drink cause of our poor climate.
    Sorry, I've mistaken the buttons and thanked you instead of quoting.
    I wanted to say, that imo winter is best season of the year and I always in good mood when it's snowy - so I can skate and ski, while in summer I usually just wasting my time. For me - hot and long summer is the only reason to get drunk, but actually I don't drink at all (I don't smoke either, and don't have any bad habbits except the internet ). p.s. my girlfriend even says I could make a good cookies if wasn't that lazy- j/k

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    Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    Quote Originally Posted by Klim Samgin View Post
    Sorry, I've mistaken the buttons and thanked you instead of quoting.
    I wanted to say, that imo winter is best season of the year and I always in good mood when it's snowy - so I can skate and ski, while in summer I usually just wasting my time. For me - hot and long summer is the only reason to get drunk, but actually I don't drink at all (I don't smoke either, and don't have any bad habbits except the internet ). p.s. my girlfriend even says I could make a good cookies if wasn't that lazy- j/k


    Well.you dont seem to be regular russian anyway rather civilized middle european.


    I wanted to say, that imo winter is best season of the year and I always in good mood when it's snowy
    Likewise.

    I dont drink that much either..öhm ok a bit but that wont mean that im mongoloid.

    Ps:Smoking is very bad habbit.I will never smoke again,never.I also agree that internet is rather bad habbit,well at least sometimes.

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    Sv: Re: Russian alcoholism and the "Mongoloid gene"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim View Post
    LOL. Finally my partly pseudo doubts were true.Russians are partly mongoloids.

    And.Btw,finns drink to dark winter depression,we have long and dark winter.Finland is one of the northest countriest of the world and Russia is worlds biggest country where rooms many different climate types.

    And we finns surely are not biggest drinkers of the world.Show me the source for this lie.I admit that we finns drink rather lot but thats not cause we would have this "mongoloid gene" but we drink cause of our poor climate.
    Sorry, a lie it is, just checked the statistics: But then again, it seems germans drink more than russians

    http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:...o&ct=clnk&cd=6

    http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/fact.../harm_ukeu.pdf

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