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    Are Modern-day Belgium and Northern France Germanic?

    Well, I think the title says it all....

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    It should be..

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    I suppose by 'Belgium' you mean the southern French speaking half, i.e. Wallonia, where the Walloons live [including Poirot!]. The Flemings, to the north, in Flanders, well... if they're not Germanic, nobody is!

    I suppose it is a worthwhile question to ask of a land whose majority language is named after the impeccably Germanic Franks [many of whom still live unRomanised in central Germany, Flanders and the Netherlands], and into which the Goths, Burgundians, Vandals, Suebi, Normans, Saxons and doubtless a few others wandered. There are other threads on these matters, if you search the archives.

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    The Flemings, to the north, in Flanders, well... if they're not Germanic, nobody is!
    This is exactly the case, I must totally agree with what you said.

    I can't recall who said this, but some Skadite stated, once, how Dutch is the superior Germanic language. And it was about time.

    Interestingly, a short while ago there was a solid study in to the matter, receiving nation wide media coverage - the main conclusion (articles in Dutch) was that the Flemish are Germanics, as a group more related to the peoples in the east and the north, and of course culturally linked to them as well.
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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    Flanders is Germanic. As far as Wallonia is concerned, it's more ambiguous.

    During the war, the Germans refused to see Wallonia as a Germanic region, because they considered it as an extension of France. Leon Degrelle did everything to convince Himmler that the Walloons were a Germanic people. The Walloon language itself, though a Langue d'Oil, is very influenced by Germanic language (for exemple, the negation "nin" comes from german "nein"). The Nazi made several cranial measurements to the Walloons and concluded that Walloons were indeed actually a Germanic people.

    Now, being a Walloon myself, I do identify myself much more with the Roman part of Europe than with the Germanic part; however, in my hometown there are many many french people (almost an invasion lol), and last week I spoke about the difference walloon/french to a french guy, and he kept on saying that we Walloons aren't "mediteranean" at all unlike the French, but went on by saying it isn't a bad thing at all (since the French hate everything german and love everything Roman).

    I consider the Flemish Germanic (if not always racially, they are undoubtly by temperement) while the Walloons is caught in between.

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    Re Flanders : Kein problem ! Voran ........ (kindly cross-translate!)

    re Wallonia : it is very beautiful down there in parts. I loved the hills. I suspect that what's needed is to build up a strong Regional Identity which accentuates the better character ( ?? Germanic ? ) of the Walloon region and promotes that as culturally distinct from Northern France. Otherwise people will indeed simply say : ' its part of France! '

    All IMO.!! Fred ! does this make sense ????

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    The Flemish part of Belgium has germanic blood left.
    Germanic Ethnic, Cultural, Spiritual and Racial preservation

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    i have been in Belgium for 5 months, and probably i have seen enough people and had sufficient imperessions about Flemish people. First of all, i would like to say, Flemish people are really nice, helper and kind people. However, if it's about appereance, i don't think Flemish people are good examples of German folks. Surely, lots of people could Teutonic heritage, but if i compare them with Germany Germans they are not. Even though they speak familiar language with Hollanders, there are some differences between them. Hollanders are bigger, blonder, and definitelly closer appereance to Germans. However, Flemish thinner, smaller and they have a lot of brown hair.

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    Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kipcak View Post
    However, if it's about appereance, i don't think Flemish people are good examples of German folks.
    Flanders is no less Germanic than central Germany, but it isn't exactly a Nordid's habitat - as is Friesland.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kipcak View Post
    i would like to say, Flemish people are really nice, helper and kind people.
    It's appreciated.
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    Arrow Re: Is modern-day Belgium/France Germanic?

    I've posted a map on the same subject on Stirpes :

    My personal view on ethnic France (Francie) with map (very simplistic and rough) :



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