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    by Johannes Stark

    The slogan has been coined, and has been spread particularly by the Jews, that science is international. It refers not so much to science as such as to scientific researchers and demands a special position in the nation for them. They ought not to be considered from a national point of view, but are to be evaluated strictly on the merits of their scientific activity without regard to their ethnic origin. According to this concept, Jewish scientists ought to be inviolable even in the National Socialist state and should be allowed to continue to exert a standard-setting influence.

    From the National Socialist side, in opposition to this view, it must be insisted upon with all possible emphasis that in the National Socialist state, even for the scientist, the duty to the nation stands above any and all other obligations. The scientist, too, must consider himself a member and a servant of the nation. He does not exist only for himself or even for his science. Rather, in his work he must serve the nation first and foremost. For these reasons, the leading scientific positions in the National Socialist state are to be occupied not by elements alien to the Volk but only by nationally-conscious German men.

    But aside from this fundamental National Socialist demand, the slogan of the international character of science is based on an untruth, insofar as it asserts that the type and the success of scientific activity are independent of membership in a national group. Nobody can seriously assert that art is international. It is similar with science. Insofar as scientific work is not merely imitation but actual creation, like any other creative activity it is conditioned by the spiritual and characterological endowments of its practitioners.

    Since the individual members of a people have a common endowment, the creative activity of the scientists of a nation, as much as that of its artists and poets, thus assumes the stamp of a distinctive Volkish type. No, science is not international; it is just as national as art. This can be shown by the example of Germans and Jews in the natural sciences.

    Science is the knowledge of the uniform interconnection of facts; the purpose of natural science in particular is the investigation of bodies and processes outside of the human mind, through observation and, insofar as possible, through the setting up of planned experiments.

    The spirit of the German enables him to observe things outside himself exactly as they are, without the interpolation of his own ideas and wishes, and his body does not shrink from the effort which the investigation of nature demands of him. The German's love of nature and his aptitude for natural science are based on this endowment. Thus it is understandable that natural science is overwhelmingly a creation of the Nordic-Germanic blood component of the Aryan peoples.

    Anyone who, in Lenard's classic work Grosse Naturforscher (Great Investigators of Nature), compares the faces of the outstanding natural scientists will find this common Nordic-Germanic feature in almost all of them. The ability to observe and respect facts, in complete disregard of the "I," is the most characteristic feature of the scientific activity of Germanic types. In addition, there is the joy and satisfaction the German derives from the acquisition of scientific knowledge, since it is principally this with which he is concerned. It is only under pressure that he decides to make his findings public, and the propaganda for them and their commercial exploitation appear to him as degradations of his scientific work.

    The Jewish spirit is wholly different in its orientation: above everything else it is focused upon its own ego, its own conception, and its self-interest—and behind its egocentric conception stands its strong will to win recognition for itself and its interests. In accordance with this natural orientation the Jewish spirit strives to heed facts only to the extent that they do not hamper its opinions and purposes, and to bring them in such a connection with each other as is expedient for effecting its opinions and purposes.

    The Jew, therefore, is the born advocate who, unencumbered by regard for truth, mixes facts and imputations topsy-turvy in the endeavor to secure the court decision he desires. On the other hand, because of these characteristics, the Jewish spirit has little aptitude for creative activity in the sciences because it takes the individual's thinking and will as the measure of things, whereas science demands observation and respect for the facts.

    It is true, however, that the Jewish spirit, thanks to the flexibility of its intellect, is capable, through imitation of Germanic examples, of producing noteworthy accomplishments, but it is not able to rise to authentic creative work, to great discoveries in the natural sciences. In recent times the Jews have frequently invoked the name of Heinrich Hertz as a counter-argument to this thesis. True, Heinrich Hertz made the great discovery of electromagnetic waves, but he was not a full-blooded Jew. He had a German mother, from whose side his spiritual endowment may well have been conditioned.

    When the Jew in natural science abandons the Germanic example and engages in scientific work according to his own spiritual particularity, he turns to theory. His main object is not the observation of facts and their true-to-reality presentation, but the view which he forms about them and the formal exposition to which he subjects them. In the interest of his theory he will suppress facts that are not in keeping with it and likewise, still in the interest of his theory, he will engage in propaganda on its behalf.

    Only his theory is valid for him, and in the face of doubts he demands a faith in his theory as if it were a dogma. The dogmatic zeal and propagandistic drive of the Jewish scientist leads him to report on his achievements not only in scientific journals but also in the daily press and on lecture tours. The phenomenon, for example, of Jews pushing themselves prominently to the foreground at scientific congresses, such as the gatherings of German natural scientists and physicians, can be explained in the same way.


    Excerpt from Respect for Facts and Aptitude for Exact Observation Reside in the Nordic Race by Johannes Stark (1874-1951)

    from Nationalsocializmus und Wissenschaft (Munich, 1934), pp. 10-12
    cited in Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural and Social Life in the Third Reich, George L. Mosse, ed. (New York, 1966), pp. 205-8

    Source: http://eee.uci.edu/clients/bjbecker/RevoltingIdeas/week9c.html

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    I find this subject interesting as I had arrived at such conclusions by myself over my life. One could argue that it is merely a manifestation of individual personality, or upbringing etc that might render a person so impartially meticulous, but it is only other people of NW European descent who seem to be able to step outside themselves, and repress any primal seat of thought to observe the world as it is.

    IMO it is related to the shedding of redundant instinct in Nordids, whether environmental or selective I have no idea, but I genuinely believe that something along these lines is occuring. It is another one of the reasons that I now simply avoid interaction with any non Germanic person as much as possible, as I find it extremely wearying having to constantly explain and rationalize the most basic premise of what I'm doing or saying, as most other ethnicities (to a smaller or greater degree) seem to have their pride/identity wound up in their observations, as though reality were not a definite thing, but something malleable and secondary to their,... I don't know,... status? pride? To such instinct burdened non-Nordids, accepting a piece of data is impossible without questioning and arguing about it. What to me simply "Is" regardless of me, to them is a jungle politics power struggle, where logical agreement translates to simian submission with a consequent loss in status (along with everything that goes with it).

    From where I am standing, in shedding such primate instincts (instinct mindsets, set behaviours, whatever you want to call them) the Nordid mind is observably more liquid in analyzing information.

    I have a feeling that this is possibly related to the incidence of Asperger's Syndrome/Autism in NW Europe, which is also a social syndrome, or lack social programming. It all comes together in a way that from a non-Germanic's perspective, they describe as "cold and aloof" "ice maiden" "cool teutonic demeanour" etc. I won't insist upon it, as the patterns that caught my observation in the first place are a little difficult to back up with my non-existent research.

    Not stretching the tangent too far, but I read something interesting recently on this forum (cannot recall which section) about Asperger's/Autism possibly being due to Cro-Magnon admixture with Neanderthals. Basically I guess what I'm trying to say is that I feel the issue is a behavioural one.
    That behaviour being of the instinctive/pre-programmed variety.
    The spectrum of Autistic behaviours is more than likely (IMO) to also be significantly due to a missing or disabled set of pre-defined social frameworks.

    Oh, and on the Natural Sciences front, that is again extremely interesting that you should say so. I am an avid amateur ornithologist and astronomer myself. Here in Victoria, where some of the most important wetlands in the Southern Hemisphere are located, with a rich array of waterbirds.

    My recent ancestor Ferdinand von Mueller was one of Australia's leading Botanists too http://www.anbg.gov.au/asbs/publicat...ry-willis.html I can only presume that it is in the blood.

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    ........I genuinely admire the deep thought set in this post, it is something that I would hope to see a lot more of, considering the recent change things have been a bit up in the air so to speak it seems things are beginning to settle as the new framework of the forum's orientation is put in place, however keep in mind that the Germanic meta-ethnicity encompasses far more then just the Nordid Proper sub-racial type it is comprised of many varying types that form of the construct of this particular European cultural/Linguistic group rather the source is in it's truest sense merely an opinion relating to a construct of belief which can lead to misunderstanding, however interesting not to say the least considering the fact that there is a somewhat of a fabric that binds together this particular group, like to a larger degree there are varying amounts of Nordid present in the Germanic people though along side with other sub-racial componets from Alpine, Dinaric, East Baltic & so fourth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedwig
    True and that is what I wanted to add, that I tend to believe that by 'the Nordic race' used in a NS context is meant the Nordic element that is commonly present among the German people, as I have read from the source Zentralblatt für die gesamte Unterrichtsverwaltung in Preußen, Berlin. Jg. 1935:
    http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/dokumente/rassenkunde/

    A part of this:

    Basically meaning:

    "The fact that all German tribes and all folkers have Nordic blood in common is important and that is what truthfully holds us together bloodwise."
    I tend to use the phrases "germanic, nordic, nordid" interchangeably, but still find that the term "NW European" does a better job of capturing what I'm trying to say. Perhaps qualified with an "Indigenous" if anyone tries to blur it.

    One of my best friend's thinks in this NW European way, even though he phenotypically appears mostly to be Briton/Brythonic (pale freckled skin, darkhair, blue eyes) and not germanic nordid per se, he still counts only British in his ancestry. Another two close friends who are mostly Scottish in descent but look very similar (tall, bony, pale&freckled light eyes, dark haired, long headed) both act in the same way too. Very intelligent, but almost simple in a way. How do I put it,...it is as though they are missing any social adroitness or maneouvreability. More instinctual people seem to navigate situations "on the fly" whilst those having shed the instincts have to use a gruellingly learned social response toolkit...which never really feels natural. You always feel on the outer.

    Conjecture: I think that's why germanic society was strong. Built upon such units, social constructs would be like steel (as everyone is behaving properly, as it is the correct & logical thing to do) but at the same time NEED that iron social framework to protect them, because without it (like today's permissive, hedonistic, anti-family unit society) they flounder as they simply haven't the social toolkit to function in what is a kind of alien environment for them.

    Of course the whole argument could be worded a whole lot better. I am just amazed that in 1874 some German chap had already observed and beautifully articulated a conclusion that I reached over a century later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders Lang
    I tend to use the phrases "germanic, nordic, nordid" interchangeably....
    Germanic refers to a cultural/linguistic grouping rather then a sub-racial group, Germanic itself is composed of varying sub-racial types though usually in mixed frequencies the nordic element is there to some degree whether dominent or almost non-existent varies from individual to individual but as a collective there is somewhat of a Nordic element present with mixtures of other sub-racial components within the Germanic people varying from region to region.

    But yes there is some sort of strong social cohesion present when observing the nature of the Germanic Mentality in an overall sense though it is true alien cultural elements have somewhat reduced it's strength to a certain idegree yet it still holds the intitial nature it has evolved to become, but yes you are indeed very correct in implying the document could have been worded a bit better for the inadept readers to not misunderstand the intitial message & therefore the structure of the Germanic cultural collective.
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    I am impressed by the accuracy of Stark's description.

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