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    Post Honour Creates Beauty [Myatt]

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    Here is an insight: Honour creates Beauty - and it is beauty that I desire: to be surrounded by beauty, without and within. Our modern world is ugly: it has made ugliness into an art, a business, a cult and a way of life.

    Our environment is for the most part ugly; the attitude of many, many people is ugly - concerned as they are for the most part with mundane things, with profane things, and all to ready and willing as they are to do what is not honourable: to gossip, to be petty, to put their own ego, desires, before what is honourable, and subsumed as they often are with the ethos of ugliness that pervades our modern world. They do not feel beauty; they do not desire beauty; they are, for the most part, content to live, breathe, desire, be part of, the ugliness of the modern world and its dishonourable way of life. For instance, most of the music, the "entertainment", the art, of this modern world is ugly; the buildings, the cities, the towns, are ugly.

    There a few places where beauty lives, today: A concert, perhaps, where sublime, numinous, music presences for an instant what elevates us beyond ourselves; a woman of empathy, whose face, whose eyes, whose manner, radiates both a warmth and a reminder of our own fragile humanity. A sunny day in Spring or Summer in rural England or Germany when, atop some hill, ones sees, feels, senses the connexion that we are with all life and especially the ancient land of our ancestors. A simple shared and wordless moment when two lovers become one, through their uncomplicated loyal love, through the immediacy of a shared momentary experience... But these are isolated, increasingly fewer, incidents, among the tawdriness, the urban sprawl, the egotism, the obsession with materialism, the dishonour, the disloyalty, the profanity, the commonness, of modern life.

    Beauty is not the norm - the ideal, the archetype, the goal - as it can and should be.

    Why do I admire - why have I steadfastly admired, for thirty-five years - National-Socialist Germany? Because I found, and find, in it an intimation of beauty - a desire to bring beauty, joy, back into the lives of ordinary people; a desire to raise them up from the ugly. And what was wonderful, inspiring, remarkable was that this was done within the confines, within the constraints, of a modern nation with its cities, towns, industries: and that it involved all of the people, not a minority, not an elite. National-Socialism was a means whereby the beautiful could be felt and known - a means whereby beauty was once again presenced in the lives of ordinary people. A means whereby a connexion was made to those things which can and do elevate and evolve us, and which thus create an inner beauty. This is the simple, profound, beautiful message of National-Socialism.

    How did those National-Socialists do this? Through honour; through duty; through loyalty, through understanding the importance of beauty and of our connexion, through our folk and homeland, to Nature.

    So many lies have covered this beauty; so many lies to try to distance us from that truth; so many lies to try and prevent us from seeing, understanding, striving to follow, that beautiful, inspiring, example. And yet - the truth lives; the beautiful, numinous, archetype is there, and will always be there so long as some of us remember, and recount to others our remembering.


    David Myatt
    December 114yf

    (Taken from Issue #7 of The Reichsfolk December 114yf)

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    Thanks to rhadley, for that Insight from D. Myatt.

    It moves me to reflect thus;
    Honour is the result of Aryan values and therefore Aryan Blood.
    The Aryan is the Higher Being of Nature made flesh, and Honour is the expression of Aryanism in behaviour patterns.
    Now, according to Myatt, Beauty is a creation of this Honour.
    In civilisations built on Honour will be found the most sublime creations of beauty.
    The beauty of the women of the Race; the beauty of the architecture and the arts in general.
    The State itself will be constructed on the very basis of the Beauty. It will be proportionate, sublime, in the grand style, and have a strength in its beauty which is truly vigorous.
    Greek sculpture, Roman architecture, German music etc.,

    When a civilisation rejects the Aryan for the Semitic, and persues Gold, profit and the cash-nexus. It no longer builds on Honour, but on its opposite.
    Likewise, it glories in all that is Ugly.
    Its symbol would be a repulsive dollar sign, crawling like luminous yellow slug.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    For me Nietzsche presents a strand of thinking that called forth N-S.
    He predicted and prefigured it, saying that the 20th century would be the century of Great Politics and socialistic crises.
    His ideas were taken up by Mussolini and Hitler for example, and used in a synthesis with other ideas.
    Theory became practice.

    That great experiment of the 1930s in itself defined what Nietzsche was working towards. The abstruse theorising was brought into stark focus by action.

    As the dust settles, David Myatt is able to put together a sort of distilled essence of battle-smoke; Nietzsche said, "I am not a man, I am dynamite!"

    With the wisdom of reflection, Myatt builds on these foundations; the core of Nietzsche, the crust of N-S which is cooling lava.

    Looking back at Nietzsche, we see that he advocated a slave system ruled by a breeding caste of Masters. Cruelty would be practiced as a matter of course, and the goal was of a world-wide dominion by this European-based "Masters of the Earth".

    Such a vision has slipped into night-mare, although note that the distorters of N-S will try to pretend that this too was Hitler's dream.
    Not so; Myatt presents N-S for this day - he has emerged out of the cauldron of conflict to fashion a Way which places the Aryan virtue of Honour at its forefront.

    However, I acknowledge Nietzsche as the philosopher of this movement, just as Hitler was its first soldier ...
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    For me Nietzsche presents a strand of thinking that called forth N-S.
    Not so; Myatt presents N-S for this day - he has emerged out of the cauldron of conflict to fashion a Way which places the Aryan virtue of Honour at its forefront.

    However, I acknowledge Nietzsche as the philosopher of this movement, just as Hitler was its first soldier ...
    Thank you once again for your clear insights.

    I think Myatt expresses the difference as well when he says:

    "I have made the ethic of honour, and the laws based upon honour, the foundation of The Numinous Way, the Warrior Way, and thus of National-Socialism itself. This honour was already implicit in both the Warrior Way and National-Socialism, but I have been able to consciously express it, to refine it, to state in words which cannot be misunderstood what such honour means and implies for individuals, for communities and for civilization itself. That is, I have made conscious what was hitherto mostly instinctive, and I believe this is of great importance for our future evolution."


    Myatt has refined, made clear, and conscioulsy expressed what was intuitive in both Nietzsche and early National Socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhadley
    Thank you once again for your clear insights.

    I think Myatt expresses the difference as well when he says:

    "I have made the ethic of honour, and the laws based upon honour, the foundation of The Numinous Way, the Warrior Way, and thus of National-Socialism itself. This honour was already implicit in both the Warrior Way and National-Socialism, but I have been able to consciously express it, to refine it, to state in words which cannot be misunderstood what such honour means and implies for individuals, for communities and for civilization itself. That is, I have made conscious what was hitherto mostly instinctive, and I believe this is of great importance for our future evolution."


    Myatt has refined, made clear, and conscioulsy expressed what was intuitive in both Nietzsche and early National Socialism.
    Yes; and this is an exciting prospect. It gives us the sort of philosophical/practical and theoretical foundation that our enemies claim that we do not have!
    But we called to work on this rich vein of thought and deed, there are Few of us!

    The word that Myatt uses - I mean his word 'NUMINOUS' has a spell-binding effect ... I need to find out more about this word - it's magical, transforming; it is almost occulted ...
    Let us just dwell on that word - Myatt makes poets of us all!

    With esteem.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Nietzsche and N-S

    Moody, you write,

    > Looking back at Nietzsche, we see that he advocated a slave system ruled by a breeding caste of Masters. Cruelty would be practiced as a matter of course, and the goal was of a world-wide dominion by this
    European-based "Masters of the Earth". Such a vision has slipped into night-mare, although note that the distorters of N-S will try to pretend
    that this too was Hitler's dream.

    Is this a reference to me or are you speaking here in general?

    Hitler himself said N-S was not for export. But that said, the word slavery itself is so mis-felt. I read the notions of Masters of the Earth and Slavery in Nietzsche as a distinction between Direction-givers
    and Direction-bearers. Hitler makes a somewhat similar categorization with his bi-partite Culture-creators and Culture-preservers.
    In his Mein Kampf, he speaks of creating a new race of Men much like Nietzsche's project. I think Mosley borrowed this idea of Nietzsche and N-S, when he saw Great Britain at the apex and Africa and the third world so to speak in hierarchical fashion under it.

    Too off-mark you think?

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    Post Numinous

    > The word that Myatt uses - I mean his word 'NUMINOUS' has a spell-binding effect ... I need to find out more about this word - it's magical, transforming; it is almost occulted ...
    Let us just dwell on that word - Myatt makes poets of us all!

    That is because it is! Look for Rudolf Otto's comments on the same in his Das Heilege/The Holy. He calls the Numinous "Mysterium tremendum et fascinans", and connects it with Dionysos.

    Mysterium tremendum: "A mystery inexpressible and above all creatures"

    We are dealing with something for which there is only one appropriate expression, `mysterium tremendum'. The feeling of it may at times come sweeping like a gentle tide, pervading the mind with a tranquil mood of deepest worship. It may pass over into a more set and lasting attitude of the soul, continuing, as it were, thrillingly vibrant and resonant, until at last it dies away and the soul resumes its `profane', nonreligious mood of everyday experience. It may burst in sudden eruption up from the depths of the soul with spasms and convulsions, or lead to the strangest excitements, to intoxicated frenzy, to transport, and to ecstasy. It has its wild and demonic forms and can sink to an almost gristly horror and shuddering. It has its crude, barbaric antecedents and early manifestations, and again it may be developed into something beautiful and pure and glorious. It may become the hushed, trembling, and speechless humility of the creature in the presence of -- whom or what? In the presence of that which is a mystery inexpressible and above all creatures.

    - Rudolf Otto, "The Analysis of Tremendum," from The Idea of the Holy, chapter IV.


    Mysterium fascinans: "The Dionysiac-element in the numen"

    These two qualities, the daunting and the fascinating, now combine in a strange harmony of contrasts, and the resultant dual character of the numinous consciousness, to which the entire religious development bears witness, at any rate from the level of the `daemonic dread' onwards, is at once the strangest and most noteworthy phenomenon in the whole history of religion. The daemonic-divine object may appear to the mind an object of horror and dread, but at the same time it is no less something that allures with a potent charm, and the creature, who trembles before it, utterly cowed and cast down, has always at the same time the impulse to turn to it, nay even to make it somehow his own. The `mystery' is for him not merely something to be wondered at but something that entrances him; and beside that in it which bewilders and confounds, he feels a something that captivates and transports him with a strange ravishment, rising often enough to the pitch of dizzy intoxication; it is the Dionysiac-element in the numen."

    - Rudolf Otto, "The Elements of Fascination," from The Idea of the Holy, chapter IV.

    Otto [a heir to Kantian and Friesian theories] was anti-pagan however; his work is a bit biased, you'll have to skip it.

    Aethrei was supposed to mean something similar, the numinous burning from the Greek 'aether', but I think I got the spelling wrong and now it sounds Vedic! haha, oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aethrei
    Moody, you write, 'Looking back at Nietzsche, we see that he advocated a slave system ruled by a breeding caste of Masters. Cruelty would be practiced as a matter of course, and the goal was of a world-wide dominion by this European-based "Masters of the Earth". Such a vision has slipped into night-mare, although note that the distorters of N-S will try to pretend
    that this too was Hitler's dream'.
    Is this a reference to me or are you speaking here in general?
    Do you mean when I said "the distorters of N-S"? Surely not.
    While there has been a trend to try and present Nietzsche as a 'liberal', and to thereby 'explain-away' his more extreme statements on cruelty and slavery etc.,
    There is also a chorus which attempts to make Nietzsche into the madman philosopher, advocating cruelty and slavery from the safety of his empty study [ I suppose the Zionist Nordau's 'Degeneration' is an early example of this].
    This latter view sees Nietzsche as a depraved and maniacal influence who poisoned the German intellectual atmosphere which led to what later commentators see as the 'crime' of Nazism. A famous German magazine cover has the heads of Nietzsche and Hitler spliced together like some Janus, or Siamese twin - Nietzsche's staring eyes are exaggerated to display a pyschosis as he holds a book, while Hitler holds a pistol beneath his own scowling face.
    This vision of the Germanic/Nietzschean will to power as a nightmare distorts N-S and Nietzsche. And of course it follows that Hitler is reckoned to have wanted to rule the world and enslave all non-Aryans etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aethrei
    Hitler himself said N-S was not for export. But that said, the word slavery itself is so mis-felt. I read the notions of Masters of the Earth and Slavery in Nietzsche as a distinction between Direction-givers
    and Direction-bearers. Hitler makes a somewhat similar categorization with his bi-partite Culture-creators and Culture-preservers.
    In his Mein Kampf, he speaks of creating a new race of Men much like Nietzsche's project. I think Mosley borrowed this idea of Nietzsche and N-S, when he saw Great Britain at the apex and Africa and the third world so to speak in hierarchical fashion under it.
    Too off-mark you think?
    N-S takes on the character of the particular Nation, most certainly; a pure copy of the NSDAP [the German variant of N-S] would not suit other European Nations; but N-S as a political philosophy has a universal application amongst Aryans.
    Slavery has become a 'great crime' for liberals, libertarians etc.,
    Nietzsche DID extol historical examples of slavery [amongst the Greeks and Romans etc.,], and most people today would regard any intention of returning to that kind of system as deeply offensive. Today's Multiculturalism, with its Negritude, is over-ripe with Guilt regarding 'black slavery', and so rejects out of hand any call to slavery, or any positive views on it.
    As you suggest, this is a limited view of slavery, and Nietzsche did say that any man who had not the best proportion of his day to himself was a slave.
    So again, getting away from the distorted view of Nietzsche's slave-system we move towards something far more realistic and commensurate with N-S; if only the word 'slave' were not so tainted.
    To that end, you use far more appealing euphemisms like 'Direction Bearers' and 'Culture Preservers', and I am in agreement with you.
    My point being is that a modern N-S theorist would not be able to talk as Nietzsche did, of Slaves and Lords, without being misunderstood - even by N-S [at least those who haven't become anarcho-capitalists].
    As you know, Mosley's pre-war Fascist system was based on the British Empire as was; post-war, he saw a United Europe which also included African possessions then under White Rule. In his view, such African possesssions would operate on an Aparthood basis [and likewise, Black African nations could apply a similar race bar]. However, since he made those proposals, we have seen that the madness of 'democracy' and 'internationalism' have made the once fertile grounds for such barren, nay, poisoned.
    However, I think that a modern Eurofascism/N-S is still possible and highly desirable.
    We are looking at Myatt's framework in this light.

    Isn't 'Aethrei' the French version?
    Thank you for your superb posts on 'numinosity', and all the rest.
    Last edited by Moody; Tuesday, July 25th, 2006 at 02:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aethrei



    Hitler himself said N-S was not for export...
    and Direction-bearers. Hitler makes a somewhat similar categorization with his bi-partite Culture-creators and Culture-preservers.
    In his Mein Kampf, he speaks of creating a new race of Men much like Nietzsche's project.

    If I may be allowed to comment.

    Hitler's viewed changed and "matured" especially after 1933, and he often said, to people such as Degrelle, that what had been written in Mein Kampf was not "set in stone".

    The pan-European SS marked the change in Hitler's thinking - all bound by the NS ideal. Plus the plans to create non-European Waffen SS units - showing that he did regard NS as "suitable for export".

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    > The pan-European SS marked the change in Hitler's thinking - all bound by the NS ideal. Plus the plans to create non-European Waffen SS units - showing that he did regard NS as "suitable for export".

    That's great!

    Thank you much for the correction indeed.

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