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    Great demolition job on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Yaxley View Post
    The fact that Larry Silverstein had recently insured the tower's and made a hefty profit is also noteworthy...
    Or the 2000+ Jews who did not go to work that day and so escaped being pulverised^^

    Most of the towers pulverised in midair to dust, only some steel was left when they came down. Energy weapons?

    http://wheredidthetowersgo.com




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    Issues simmering over the summer may lead to war in the autumn



    2018-08-21
    Issues simmering over the summer may lead to war in the autumn


    Several issues could trigger a brief, sharp war inside the U.S., in the Middle East, and possibly even in Japan this autumn, multiple sources agree. The key issue remains 9/11, a mass-murder event that remains unpunished and officially unacknowledged to this day. The 9/11 war crime was used as an excuse for the mass murder of Iraqi, Syrian, Afghan, and other peoples. Furthermore, if you dig deeper, it ties into the Kennedy assassinations of the 1960’s, the murder of Martin Luther King, as well as the December 26, 2004 and March 11, 2011 human-induced tsunami mass-murder attacks among many other crimes against humanity.

    It is interesting to note, by the way, that the 350 or so corporate publications that last week simultaneously put out editorials calling for freedom of the press have not dared to write the truth about any of these crimes against humanity. That’s because they are mostly owned by the people who carried out these crimes—the Khazarian mafia.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/polit...ist/index.html

    When is The New York Times and the rest of the corporate propaganda media going to write that it was the Zionist neo-cons who planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks? When are they going to write about what was in all the Kennedy assassination documents that were recently released? Why don’t they write that it was Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, working under orders from his Khazarian Rothschild masters etc., who ordered the Kennedy assassinations? Why don’t they report the truth like they are supposed to?

    The complicity in crimes against humanity by these media outlets, controlled by six Khazarian conglomerates, means they are enemies of the people and need to be occupied by military police and forced to write the truth.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/thes...america-2012-6

    The truth, as readers of this newsletter know, is that the Khazarian faction of the Western establishment carried out these and countless other war crimes to remain in control of the world’s financial system and thus true world power. As a member of the British royal family once told me, “They are not going to go quietly into the night.” In other words, it is going to take all-out war to remove these criminals.

    A lot of people think U.S. President Donald Trump is going to be the man to end Khazarian rule and tell people the truth. Well, so far, since being elected, he has not said anything about 9/11, Fukushima, or other war crimes. You can also confirm through open source news articles that, as a businessman, he was bailed out by the Rothschilds each time he went bankrupt.

    Of course, Trump would never have been allowed to run for President if he was not controlled through the usual combination of bribery and blackmail. However, even then Trump was scripted to lose the election. It was patriots in the military and the ABC agencies who decided he was the lesser of two evils and used Special Forces to break into the computer centers (like the one under Denver Airport) that were being used to steal the election for Hillary Clinton (Rockefeller).

    Also, thanks to the military backers of the Trump regime, enough U.S. officials involved in crimes against humanity have now been removed from power for the next phase of the revolution to begin, Pentagon sources say. The sources say that starting this autumn…2018-08-21


    Benjamin Fulford, 20 08 2018.

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    Donald Trump Implies 9/11 Was A Controlled Demolition

    IN BRIEF


    • The Facts:

    Donald Trump's comments on 9/11 suggest that bombs were involved in taking down the World Trade towers. He joins a long and growing list of people suggesting that this was actually a controlled demolition.

    • Reflect On:

    Why does the US continue to hide truth about 9/11? Why do they refuse to do a proper investigation?


    The destruction of the World Trade Towers on 9/11 is an event that continues to spark our awakening to the malice contained at the heart of several governments. These governments are dangled from a string by the corporations who sit above them, who are in turn dangled by the financial elite who sit above them.

    This is important to know. Prominent politicians have referenced this ‘secret government’ for decades, but when a topic like the ‘deep state‘ is presented on mainstream media, it’s pushed as a conspiracy theory. While this can get frustrating, a growing number of people are seeing through the veil more than ever.



    The End Of Our Innocence


    Prior to 9/11, many global citizens, especially American citizens, could not fathom that their government could do anything so barbaric, so unethical, and so destructive. It’s quite ironic that for years, Western media has falsely accused several politicians of other nations of murdering their own people, the latest example being the chemical gas attacks blamed on Syrian president Bashar al Assad. But many people are seeing through this, and coming to understand how false flagterrorism has been used a lot throughout history, both prior to and post 9/11. That said, no event has had the awakening effect that 9/11 had and continues to have.

    Today, we have thousands of architects and engineers, many academicians and even peer-reviewed studies that show there is no possible way that planes could have brought down the two towers, as well as the official story about the collapse of building number seven, which wasn’t even hit by a plane. This is why the global citizenry, and judging by the latest polls, the American citizenry, do not believe the official story put out by the government regarding what really happened on that day. It’s not because we are stupid, it’s not because we are ‘conspiracy theorists,’ it’s simply because we questioned what was being told to us via mainstream media, and decided to investigate for ourselves.


    See: Studies Show WTC Building 1,2 & 7 Could Not Have Fallen – Why Does The US Still Lie About 9/11?
    15 Disturbing Facts About 9/11 You’ll Wish Weren’t True

    16 Facts, 16 Years Later About 9/11 That Are No Longer A “Conspiracy Theory”
    For more of our articles on 9/11, click here.



    Donald Trump Weighs In


    U. S. Politicians and others within government have not really questioned what happened on 9/11–except for Donald Trump. One of his engineers was the architect of the building. Here’s what he had to say, taken from this interview:

    It wasn’t architectural defect…The World Trade Center was always known as a very very strong building…Don’t forget that building took a bomb in the basement (1993). Now the basement is the most vulnerable place because that’s your foundation, and it withstood that…I got to see that area, about three or four days after it too place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour, because he did the building and I said “I can’t believe it.” The building was standing solid and half of the columns were blown out…So, this was an unbelievably powerful building.


    After talking about the structure of the building, and the way it was built with the steel on the outside (first building ever to do so for structural purposes …), and how it’s not possible for a plane to destroy that, he went on to say:

    How could a plane, even a 767 or a 747 or whatever it might have been, how could it possibly go through the steel? I happen to think they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously because I just can’t imagine anything being able to go through that wall….I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. Obviously they were very big planes, they were going very rapidly…You’re talking about taking out steel, the heaviest caliber steel that was used on the building. These buildings were rock solid.


    Trump also stated the fact that the US government had knowledge before the attack before it happened, and they still did not stop it. He also mentioned that he saw a big hole in some of the steel beams, hinting to explosions.

    Trump has been quite outspoken regarding corporate control over the government, as well as all of the deceit that goes on as to how our government has been hijacked by rogue groups within the government. It’s easy to see why he was and is completely vilified. It had nothing to do with racism or sexism, and if you think this, you’re simply regurgitating what you get from television programming, and have no understanding of how politics works. We go into it deeper here:
    The Deep Truth Behind Why Trump Is President



    Other Commentators On The Deep State



    Below is a great quote from Robert W. Welch Jr, given way back in 1958, addressing the Deep State.

    “So brush the insiders dust out of your eyes, my friends, and the communist soap suds out of your Brain, and ask yourselves in all honesty, what on Earth is wrong with the United States simply minding its own business, or with having its foreign policy function primarily for the safety and benefit of the American people? Which is exactly what we had done for the first 140 years of our existence as a nation, to the incredible advantage of ourselves and everybody else, everybody, that is, except a numerically small clique of power-lusting conspirators who have somehow inflicted themselves on a gullible world.”


    The American empire has had a history of infiltrating and destroying other countries through unethical means (terrorism) and then stepping in to be a ‘savior,’ imposing their will on others. This has been done through the most savage means, with 9/11 being one small example compared to what they’ve done overseas.

    The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government, which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation … The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties … [and] control the majority of the newspapers and magazines in this country. – John F. Hylan was Mayor of New York City from 1918-1925 (source)(source)



    But it is not representative of America, but rather the corruption within politics and the deep state that in no way represents the will of the American people.

    Steve R. Pieczenik is one of many people from ‘within’ these ranks who is currently speaking about this. He’s a former United States Department of State official and has been involved with the intelligence community for years. He’s been through and worked within multiple administrations. He has been providing updates on what is happening, the deep state that exists within the American government and how there is currently a ‘battle’ between the Trump administration and the deep state. You can find those interviews online everywhere, he conducted most of them with Alex Jones. He’s also been outspoken and addressed that Trump has already commented on 9/11, and referenced the interview below.



    Trump Survived The Attacks



    This is why Trump has been vilified. I’ll leave you with this great quote from author Richard Dolan, taken from one of his 2016 articles.

    For sure, the power elite closed ranks and did everything possible to ensure a victory for Clinton. This included not only the Democratic party (which previously played dirty pool against Bernie Sanders), but the entire mainstream media machine, the financial community, the EU, and even the Republican party itself. If nothing else, I had concluded that the media alone had done a sufficient job of demonizing Trump – multiple negative headlines daily for more than a year – to make him unelectable to the American people.

    For more than a year, we have been told that Trump is a racist, sexist, xenophobe, liar, cheat, and narcissist. The attack bears all the marks of a coordinated effort among the major news outlets: CNN, NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, USA Today, and the rest. It reminded me very much of the concerted media attack against Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff which culminated earlier in 2016 in her impeachment and removal from power. In the case of Rousseff, we see what has been alternately described as a soft coup or a Wall Street coup, rather along the lines of the “color revolutions” of a few years earlier (which are now largely understood as CIA-NGO orchestrated). In both cases, pretexts were created and hammered home by an insistent media that whipped up public opinion. In Brazil, it worked. It seemed like it would work in the U.S.


    It is important to understand why Trump was demonized. To be sure, his character makes it easy. There is no shortage of narcissistic, sexist, or otherwise offensive statements in his repertoire from which to draw. But I have never and will never believe this is why he was demonized. Ultimately, Trump is a disruptor, and his disruption falls squarely against the two key pillars of the American ruling elite’s ideology: neoliberalism and neoconservatism.



    There are many reasons to believe that Trump’s survival is a sign that the deep state is losing its power, and that the battle that Steve Pieczenik talks about is going in favor of the Trump administration and their allies. If so, 2018 might be the last year we have to pass through 9/11 without the full and incontestable knowledge about what actually happened.



    ALTERNATIVE NEWS, September 11 2018.

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    In the end we got the Department of Homeland Security. This reminds me of the Len Deighton book, SSGB, a fictional tale of Britain’s Scotland Yard, working for the German SS after Hitler’s successful invasion of the UK. We got the DHS after losing a war with AIPAC. You just can’t make this stuff up!



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    Everything Is A Hoax


    An Israeli expert on terrorism and covert assassination procedures explains that the alleged Russian GRU attack on the Skripals with a supposedly deadly nerve agent is a completely obvious hoax to anyone who knows anything at all. https://russia-insider.com/en/skripa...k-case/ri24912


    The official story, says the expert, is “stupidity on stupidity.”


    I agree with him.


    The question is: Why did the British government think that they could get away with such an obvious hoax? The answer is that the people in Western countries don’t know anything about anything. They live in a world in which their reality is a product of the propaganda fed to them by “news organizations” and Hollywood movies. They only receive controlled explanations. Therefore, they know nothing about how anything really functions. Read the account by the Israeli expert to understand the vast difference between the British government’s hoax and the reality of how an assassination is conducted.


    The Israeli expert got me to wondering why the British government thought anyone would fall for such a transparently false story. Having just read David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth’s new book, 9/11 Unmasked, and David Ray Griffin’s 2017 book, Bush and Cheney: How They Runed America and the World, the answer became obvious. The British government had watched the idiot Western populations fall for the official 9/11 conspiracy story in which a few Saudi Arabians, who could not fly airplanes and without the support of any intelligence agency, caused the entire security apparatus ot the United States to fail utterly, and no one was held responsible for the total failure. The British government concluded that anyone who could possibly believe such an obviously false story would believe anything.


    I remember coming to that conclusion years ago before the official conspiracy theory in the 9/11 Commission Report was blown to pieces by thousands of scientists, structural engineers, high-rise architects, military and civilian pilots, first responders on the scene, and a large number of former high government officials both in the US and abroad.


    At first I did not connect the zionist neoconservatives’ plot, outlined in their public writings (for example, Norman Podhorttz in Commentary) to destroy 7 Middle Eastern countries in five years (also described by General Wesley Clark) and their statement that they needed a “new Pearl Harbor” to implement their plan, with the attack on the World Trade Center. But as I watched the twin towers blow up floor by floor it was completely obvious that these were not builldings falling down due to asymetrical structural damage and limited, low temperature office fires that probably did not even warm the massive steel structure to the point of being warm to the touch. When you watch the videos you see buildings blowing up. It is as clear as day. You see each floor blow. You see steel beams and other debris fly out the sides as projectiles. It is amazing that any human is so completely stupid as to think what he is seeing with his own eyes are buildings falling down from structural damage. But it required many years before half of the American people realized that the official account was pure bullshit.


    Today polls indicate that a majority of people do not believe the official 9/11 propaganda any more than they believe the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the alleged Gulf of Tonkin attack, or the report from Admiral McCain (father of John) erasing Israel’s responsibility for the destruction of the USS Liberty and its crew during LBJ’s administration, or that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, or Iran had nukes, or the many lies about about Syria, Libya’s Gaddafi, or Somalia, or Yemen, or the “Russian invasion of Georgia,” the “Russian invasion of Ukraine.” But at each time the idiot population, no matter how many times they had learned that the governments lied to them initially believed the next lie, thereby permitting the lie to become fact. Thus, the idiot Western populations created their own world of controlled explanations.


    Only a deranged person could believe anything any Western government says. But the Western world has a huge number of deranged people. There are plenty of them to validate the next official lie. The ignorant fools make it possible for Western governments to continue their policy of lies that are driving the world to extinction in a war with Russia and China.


    Perhaps I am being too hard on the insouciant Western populations. Ron Unz is no moron. Yet he accepted the transparently false 9/11 story until he started to pay attention. Once he paid attention, he realized it was false. http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pra...racy-theories/


    Like myself, Ron Unz has noticed that the 9/11 Truth movement has succeeded in totally discrediting the official 9/11 story. But the unanswered question remains: Who did it?


    Unz says it was Israel, not Bush & Cheney. This is also the position of Christopher Bollyn. It seems certain that Israel was involved. We have the fact of the Mossad agents caught celebrating as they filmed the collalpse of the WTC towers. Obviously, they knew in advance and were set up ready to film. Later they were shown on Israeli TV where they stated that they had been sent to film the destruction of the buildings.


    We also have the fact of the large profits made by someone that the US government continues to protect on shorting the stock of the airlines, the planes of which were allegely hijacked.


    In other words, the 9/11 attack was known in advance, as was the destruction of WTC building 7 as evidenced by the BBC reporter standing in front of the still standing building accouncing its destruction about a half hour before it occurred.


    Unz and Bollyn’s case against Israel is powerful. I agree with Unz that George W. Bush was not part of the plot. If he had been, he would have been on the scene directing America’s heroic response to the first, and only, terrorist attack on America. lnstead, Bush was moved out of the way, and kept out of the way, while Cheney handled the situation.



    I understand what Unz is doing by focusing attention on the main beneficiary of the hoax 9/11 story. However Cheney and his corporation, Halliburton, also benefitted. Halliburton received large municifient US government contracts for services in Afghanistan and Iraq. Cheney, as David Ray Griffen proves, achieved his aim of elevating the executive branch above the US Constitution and statutory US law.


    Moreover, it was impossible for Mossad to pull off such an attack without high level support in the US government. Only a US official could have ordered the numerous simulations of the attack underway in order to confuse the air traffic controllers and the US Air Force.


    The Israeli government could not have ordered the destruction of the crime scene, opposed by the New York fire marshall as a felony. This required US government authority. The steel beams, which showed all sorts of distortions that could only have been caused by nano-thermite were quickly sent to Asia for reprocessing. The intense fires and molten rubble in the buildings’ remains six weeks after their collapse never received an official explanation. To this day, no one has explained how low-temperature, smothered office fires that burned for one hour or less melted or weakened massive steel beams and produced molten steel six weeks afterward.


    Unz is correct that Israel made out like a bandit. Israel as a result of 9/11 got rid of half of the constraints on its expansion. Only Syria and Iran remain, and the Trump regime is pushing hard for Israel, even against Russia, a government that at its will can completely destroy the United States and Israel, something that much of the world wishes would happen.


    Unz is correct that right now the totally evil and corrupt US and Israeli governments have the entire world on the path to extinction. However, he omits American responsibility, that of the evil Dick Cheney, the Zionist neconservatives who are Israel’s Fifth Column in America, and the utter insouciance of the American people who do not show enough intelligence or awareness to warrant their survival.


    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/10/05/everything-is-a-hoax/

    As long as MSM lasts they will keep pumping out the Bullshit: the Holohoax, etc.
    When that, the biggest lie ever, still goes down MSM know they are doing their job and are still in business.

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    A new element emerged in the case of the dancing/celebrating Israelis in Manhattan, on 9/11. Mossad involvement seems undeniable.

    “Remember that all worlds draw to an end and that noble death is a treasure which no-one is too poor to buy.” - C. S. Lewis, The Last Battle

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    I enjoy the science behind it - high school level physics and chemistry finally with an interesting application lol:

    https://www.ae911truth.org/

    I've spent a few hours debating with people about what a farce the NIST report is (Unconditioned Canuck):

    Evidence Supporting a Controlled Demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 - Page 4 - SF
    Evidence Supporting a Controlled Demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 - Page 6 - SF
    9/11 Official Story Debunked By 2,626 Architects & Engineers! - SF

    I'll have to buy a year's worth of SM at Skadi as this board is worth it as well.

    If it's ok, I'd like to back up my posts in the "Evidence Supporting a Controlled Demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 - SF" thread in case Stormfront is taken down again.

    Evidence Supporting a Controlled Demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 - Page 4 - SF:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unconditioned Canuck View Post
    Compiled Footage of Building 7's Collapse - YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by LionAxe View Post
    "NO evidence of melted steel"

    Evidence- Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

    KEY EVIDENCE

    1. Rapid onset of destruction,
    2. Constant acceleration at or near free-fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance,
    3. Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel,
    4. Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph,
    5. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,
    6. Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the “crush zone,”
    7. Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile,
    8. Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles,
    9. Evidence of thermite incendiaries on steel beams,
    10. Nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples.
    9/11 TRUTH: WTC Steel Was So Hot It Bent Without Cracking & Fused With The Concrete - YouTube

    WTC melted steel, warped beams from 9/11 attacks - YouTube

    9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying - YouTube

    15 Ground Zero Part 1 Melted Steel Beams and Molten Iron - ESO - Experts Speak Out - YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by LionAxe
    ... evidence ...
    9-11 Research: Destroyed WTC Evidence

    Virtually none of the physical evidence of the horrific crime of the September 11th attack on Lower Manhattan survives. Had the towers remained standing, much of the evidence of the attack's first installment -- the aircraft impacts -- would have survived the disaster (if not subsequent handling by the authorities). Even though the planes were largely shredded on impact, forensic analysis could have confirmed whether they had really being piloted by the alleged hijackers, for example.

    The "collapses", however, assured that the aircraft remains would be degraded beyond recognition; or at least that no one would expect investigators to recover them. It also made more plausible the official story that the black boxes were destroyed or damaged too badly to yield data.

    The "collapses" created their own evidence: The pile of twisted steel columns and girders at Ground Zero held the clues to what were, based on the official explanation, the three largest and least understood structural failures in history. Since no steel frame high-rise building had ever been leveled by any cause other than controlled demolition or severe earthquakes, the total collapses of Buildings 1, 2, and 7 of the World Trade Center would seem to warrant the most painstaking forensic analysis. Instead the structural steel was removed and recycled with astonishing speed, while volunteer investigators were hampered by red tape and access restrictions.
    9-11 Research: WTC Steel Removal

    WTC Steel Removal

    The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero

    Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since the collapse of steel-framed skyscrapers due to fires is completely unprecedented, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it!
    Please also bear in mind that the government never officially tested for molten steel nor explosives nor incendiaries ... for the extra 0-$1000 it would have cost, you think they could have squeezed it into the investigation budget lol.

    Thermite Demolition: Reichstag 1954 vs. WTC2 9/11/01 - YouTube

    FAQ #14: What was the Molten Metal Seen Pouring Out of the South Tower Minutes Before its Collapse — Steel and Iron, or Aluminum and/or Lead?


    Quote Originally Posted by LionAxe
    ....
    High school level physics and chemistry concepts reviewed again:

    The Dank Meme 9/11 Blacksmith Debunked - (For the undying moronic Jet Fuel Argument) - YouTube

    Niels Harrit May 2016 London - YouTube


    Structural engineering concepts reviewed (Dr Leroy Hulsey says there's zero probability that WTC 7 could have collapsed according to the government's "fire theory"):

    WTC7 Evaluation Presentation by Dr. Leroy Hulsey's at UAF Sep 6th 2017 - YouTube

    Professor Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D.
    Doctorate in Structural Engineering
    PE - Professional Engineer
    SE - Structural Engineer
    Chairman
    Department of Civil Engineering
    University of Alaska, Fairbanks
    Outstanding Teaching Awards
    UAF, UMR, NCSU


    Quote Originally Posted by LionAxe View Post
    ... Oystein .... There's also been a study by an expert (Millette) on more samples from the WTC, which are very similar to Niels n Jones' samples, yet unlike them he manages better to identify what is what.
    Lol (read the comments section as well):

    9/11 WTC-chips are not paint and produce a thermite reaction - Dr. James Millette is wrong

    9/11 WTC-chips are not paint and produce a thermite reaction: Dr. James Millette is wrong - YouTube

    Professor Neils Harrit, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor
    Department of Chemistry
    København Universitet
    University of Copenhagen
    Denmark
    Ph.D. Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, 1975, Thesis: mechanistic photochemistry
    Post Doctorate, Columbia University, New York, 1977
    Master of Science, Chemistry, Max-Planck-Institute for Strahlenchemi, Mulheim an der Ruhr, Germany

    www1.ae911truth.org/downloads/documents/primer_paint_Niels_Harrit.pdf

    From the comments section:

    Dr. Niels Harrit talks about the composition of the red-gray chips found in the World Trade Center, which produce a 'thermite reaction' when ignited. He also refutes the claims that the red-gray chips are paint from the WTC Towers. At the end of the video there is a clip by chemist Mark Basile, in which he ignited one of these chips that produced a 'thermite reaction' around 430 degrees Celsius (Harrit et al paper, link below), which apparently is far below the normal ignition temperature of conventional thermite mixture. For more info watch the whole presentations by Dr. Niels Harrit and Mark Basile linked below. - National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) , US agency who investigated the causes for the destruction of the WTC buildings, reported that the reddish primer paint of World Trade Center steel columns contained zinc yellow (zinc chromate), but the red-gray chips found in the WTC-dust apparently do not contain zinc or chromium above the "back ground noise". Dr. James Millette claim the WTC red-gray chips are paint, but Dr. Niels Harrit explains that the zinc and chromium they discovered on the surface of the chips are contamination from the actual primer paint of the WTC columns. But when the red-gray chips are cut in half and the cut-surface is analyzed, there is no zinc or chromium present, explains Dr. Harrit.

    Also, Millette's study DID NOT replicate the Harrit et al study.

    - Millette put a thin gold layer for conductivity on the soaked chip, but it is know that gold can MASK finer details, thus causing him to miss the elemental aluminum present (this is in addition to him not actually looking at the uncontaminated interior of the chips lol).

    Here's some more info on this subject:

    Effects of the Carbon Coating and the Surface Oxide Layer in Electron Probe Microanalysis
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46094604_Effects_of_the_Carbon_Coating_a nd_the_Surface_Oxide_Layer_in_Electron_P robe_Microanalysis

    "... the main disadvantage of gold ... coatings is their tendency to migrate on the surface of the sample and coalesce into islands or particles that worsen the macroscopic conductivity and mask some fine details of the surface."

    - Also, Millette didn't do proper ignition-tests for his chips, but stayed well below the ignition temps of the "red-grey chips" reported by Harrit et al.
    David Chandler - How did they deploy 100s of tons of Nanothermite? - YouTube


    For the record LionAxe,
    you can win $1000 and make history by being the first to step up to the plate to tackle this year's A&E for 9/11 Truth warrior physicist:

    Challenger Requirements:
    1) PhD in Physics from an accredited university
    2) At least 10 papers published in independent scientific research journals
    3) Hirsch Index or i10 Index of at least 10
    3) Membership in the American Physical Society or international equivalent

    http://aneta.org/debate/

    The 9/11 Physics Debate was first announced on January 11, 2014. For the 4th year, no PhDs in Physics have come forward to defend the official government story.

    9/11 Physics Debate for 2017
    March 14, 2017 - Einstein's Birthday

    Winner: Dr. Steven Jones
    Ph.D. Physics, Vanderbilt, Professor Emeritus, BYU, h=13



    9/11 Physics Debate for 2016
    March 14, 2016 - Einstein's Birthday

    Winner: Dr. Crockett Grabbe
    Ph.D. Physics, CalTech, h=11



    9/11 Physics Debate for 2015

    Winner: Dr. David Griscom Wins Again in 2015
    NASA, DARPA, and U.S. Navy Physicist
    Ph.D. Physics, Brown University, h=57


    9/11 Physics Debate for 2014

    Winner:
    Dr. David Griscom Wins in 2014
    NASA, DARPA, and U.S. Navy Physicist
    Hirsch Index: 57 Over 250 Publications in peer reviewed journal



    Dr. David Griscom Wins 9/11 Physics Debate

    Friday, 16 May 2014

    Not a Single Top Physicist is Willing to Defend the Official Story!



    Researcher and AE911 Truth petition signer Dr. David Griscom is a graduate of both Carnegie Mellon and Brown Universities.

    Those who know the truth are the most confident to debate on its behalf. A case in point was the 9/11 Physics Debate. Behold, on the 911Truth side: mountains of irrefutable evidence; on the side of the official theory: pseudoscience and outright untruths. The oh-so-predictable result: no qualified takers willing to defend the view of the government/media establishment in an open forum. The Association for Nine Eleven Truth Awareness (ANETA.org) sponsored a "Physics Olympics" debate between two top physicists in the spirit of the winter athletic events in Sochi, Russia.


    The contestants would need to be PhDs in Physics from accredited universities and they would also need to be widely referenced by other scientists in scientific journal papers, as measured by the Hirsch Index. The two physicists would argue the resolutions:

    1. The laws of physics were broken by the official story, and we need a new investigation, or
    2. The laws were not broken; everything was explainable by the Nine Eleven Official Conspiracy Theory (NEOCT) put forth by the 9/11 Commission and NIST Reports.

    The winner would be determined by audience vote and would receive $1000 towards the non-profit charity of his or her choice. The debate was originally planned for March 1st on Dr. Kevin Barrett's No Lies Radio Show via conference call for the convenience of the physicists, with equal time for each debater to speak.

    ANETA had many physicists on their side, from among the AE911Truth petition signers and from the Journal of 9/11 Studies. Dr. David Griscom readily accepted the challenge to question the NEOCT. He is a PhD in Physics from Brown University, a former Naval Research Laboratory scientist, a NASA Moon rock investigator, and a fellow in the American Association for the Advancement of Science with over 190 published studies, and he has a Hirsch Index of 52.

    ANETA then contacted over 30 university physics departments, including some in the Ivy League, asking for a qualified physicist to debate Dr. Griscom and defend the NEOCT. ANETA received some responses from well wishers, but not a single physicist came forward to argue the opposing side. Dr. Barrett held a show with Dr. Griscom to advertise for opposing physicists, and an article was placed in Veterans Today—and still they had no success.


    ANETA also advertised the debate on the James Randi Educational Forum, which claims to be a forum for open debate, currently dominated by NEOCT supporters, but the post was quickly removed by the moderators as being "off topic." Reverend Chris Mohr again posted the advertisement, in the interest of fair debate, but the post resulted in only one volunteer with no science degree and a Hirsch Index of 0, who made ad hominem insults.

    A two week extension was given, until March 15, yet no physicist stepped forward to debate on behalf of the NEOCT or to defend NIST.
    9/11 DEBATE CHALLENGE: Only Credentialed Professionals Need Apply

    Wednesday, 23 July 2014

    $1,000 Prize to Charity of Choice


    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is offering credentialed building professionals a 9/11 Debate Challenge — an opportunity to publicly endorse the National Construction Safety Team Act Report 1A (NCSTAR 1A), titled Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) and published in November 2008 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
    911 Destroyed America - Dr Paul Craig Roberts


    It doesn't matter. I basically agree with what the Pentagon did - they needed to start the wars somehow to save the dollar as the global reserve currency, and getting a bunch of bankers killed at home, relatively speaking, is no worse than getting our 18-30 year olds (young men) killed overseas.
    Evidence Supporting a Controlled Demolition of the WTC Towers on 9/11 - Page 6 - SF:

    Quote Originally Posted by Unconditioned Canuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    There is no reason why steel buildings cannot collapse.
    No one said otherwise, but the forces involved are usually associated with gas line explosions or truck bombs, and in such scenarios, only an area of the building is destroyed, not the entire thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    On the contrary, I've seen the case made that it is precisely the steel framed buildings that are the most likely to collapse in this peculiar way. I invite you to look at this video that explains some of the basics Building 7 Explained: The Tube That Crumpled - YouTube.

    While an out of control fire in a large steel framed high rise or skyscraper leading to a collapse was (AFAIK) somewhat of a novelty when the 9/11 happened, since then there have been several comparable incidents leading to a full or partial collapse. Brazil highrise fire causes building to collapse - YouTube.

    So, we now have some other incidents showing that yes, steel framed buildings are quite capable of collapsing due to a sustained fire. See also: How many steel buildings have collapsed from fire besides WTC? - Quora.
    I find it sad that there is no precedent to 9/11 in which a steel frame high rise fell due to fire. The above examples, as you acknowledged, occurred after 911. Not only that, the examples cited happened in foreign countries (where the building codes and standards could be different).

    If there is no basis for what the organization Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is saying, then the authorities should have absolutely no problem opening a re-evaluation of the collapses; this time, perhaps, having several objective international teams (from credible countries) conduct their own investigations.

    One thing, Poison, that especially disturbed me about the event and the investigation, was that, despite several hundred billion dollars being devoted to the cleanup and reconstruction, and over a trillion to international war, they could not spend the $1000 bucks it would have cost to see if incendiary or explosive residues were present in the debris of the collapsed towers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Also, none of that "secret demolition" stuff was even necessary to achieve anything. Yes, the incident was rather cynically exploited in the aftermath by the "war party" in U.S. to justify endless foreign wars. But they did not need any demolitions for that purpose. AFAIK most of the victims died from usual fire and smoke inhalation etc, while others got evacuated. Things got so bad that people were jumping out of the windows. Actually, if there was some evil conspiracy, they could've achieved a lot more fatalities if the entire incidents took place a hour or few later. Ergo, for them to arrange some kind of demolition is a rather strange thing to do. It's kind of a huge risk... to achieve what, exactly?
    And so, the counter argument to that is: had the planes just hit, with a few hundred dead, it wouldn't have been enough to inspire and mobilize the Anglosphere to resume international warfare for the purpose of preserving our economies. Those of us who have never served in the military, slaughtering people, don't have much of a right to criticize what the Pentagon needs to do in order to maintain our civilization (we'll of course do it anyways at our own peril). Personally I think that seeing a few thousand dead bankers, lawyers, and insurance agents as part of the initial salvo, casus belli, in contrast to the idea of getting a few thousand soldiers killed somehow to provoke a war, was a fairer sacrifice. My main beef is with how things are done: I'd prefer we had an alliance with Russia and simply dictated terms to the rest of the planet, instead of using false flag operations that harm our own citizens. I feel they now have to resort to such measures since we (the Anglo people) aren't actually in control of our own countries anymore (not that we have been properly for the past 100+ years, if ever) and the atmosphere is too PC. We, the Anglo people, will probably be extinct in a couple centuries so none of this really matters anyways (we need a reservation system and our churches reformed into ethnic nationalist centers immediately, which is another subject).

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    So, I saw this comment in the other thread, ...

    I can look at a small fragment of this stuff and tell you why I think it's stupid, loony and dumb garbage.
    In this post, you start off with an ad hominem attack, laden with gaslighting terms like "garbage evidence" from "garbage loony websites" like:

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | WTC Twin Towers and Building 7

    I'll admit I hate this subject because unlike you, I'm handling the more uncomfortable side of the debate, and worse, we're doing it on a website where we're already considered enemies of the State, so hip hip hurray! AE911Truth has a whole section devoted to the psychology of people reluctant to face this issue:

    Articles on Psychology: "Why Do Good People Become Silent—or Worse—About 9/11?"

    FAQ #15: Where are the 9/11 whistleblowers?

    I don't even believe that this issue should be unearthed. What's done is done, and the windfall for our civilization was tremendous - I'm remorseful, yet grateful for all those sacrificed (I also managed to not get killed so far, so yippee for me lol!).

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    "Rapid onset of destruction"
    You left out the hyperlinks to the videos that discuss the science behind what they're listing. I'll re-post it:
    Evidence- Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

    KEY EVIDENCE

    1. Rapid onset of destruction,
    2. Constant acceleration at or near free-fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance,
    3. Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel,
    4. Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph,
    5. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,
    6. Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the “crush zone,”
    7. Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile,
    8. Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles,
    9. Evidence of thermite incendiaries on steel beams,
    10. Nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    "Rapid onset of destruction": I think anyone bringing this up as "evidence" is some kind of ignorant idiot or kook. I may be not an expert in structural engineering, but I have seen a number of videos and investigative documentaries that deal with structural collapses (for example, I am a big fan of the docudrama series "Seconds from Disaster", and have watched all episodes - some of them dealed with structural collapses of buildings). It's a very common theme that these collapses, once they start, happen very rapidly. There is absolutely nothing strange or uncommon about it.
    What they're saying is that outside of the holes and small fires the planes created (and btw the 47 story WTC 7 didn't get hit by a plane), the rest of each building was unharmed, and multi-ton (welded, bolted, reinforcement plated) steel column/beam skyscrapers meant to withstand major earthquakes and massive fires, are not expected to collapse into their own footprints from such things. The doctors in science and engineering of that organization have also stated that EVEN IF the floors where the planes hit collapsed onto the floors below, it wouldn't have been enough weight to cause the neighboring floor to collapse, let alone a pancake collapse of the entire building. As a precedent, the Empire State Building was hit by a plane, and the damage was minimal. Again WTC 7 didn't even get hit by a plane - they surmise the plane that was shot down in Pennsylvania was destined for WTC 7, and of course, that the planes were just red herrings anyways (since they rigged the buildings).
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    In this video, a burning high rise (steel construction) collapses very rapidly: Brazil highrise fire causes building to collapse - YouTube.

    Again, someone pretending that "rapid onset of" or "rapidly proceeding" destruction is evidence of anything is a kook or is in the business of making money on kooks.
    Do not cite something that happened after 911 or from another country for the sake of this discussion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Constant acceleration at or near free-fall. It's been demonstrated and proven (e.g.in some Youtube videos) that the WTC buildings don't collapse "at or near" the physical free fall speed. So, it's just garbage. Maybe what they mean is "the collapse is fast enough to look kinda sorta like free fall to the naked eye of an observer". Maybe, but, then again, so is the Brazilian high rise collapsing from a building fire (see above).
    Wrong. It has been proven the buildings fell near (the Twin Towers) or at (Building 7) free fall acceleration. Anyone can observe and measure the rates by analyzing the original footage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel. Why would there be explosions if some super-duper-nano-whatever-thermite (Secret Military Grade of, probably) was used to cut the steel supports and beams? Do these idiots realize that their "evidence" is internally contradictory? Isn't the very point of using "thermite" supposed to be to avoid the conspicuous sounds of explosions?
    They suggest that while incendiary was mainly employed, some explosives would still have been necessary (for certain structures); moreover, that nano-thermite, in comparison to thermite, is actually classified as an explosive (and that this substance was mainly used on the Twin Towers, whereas thermate (classified as an incendiary) was mainly used on Building 7): https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/...wers-and-wtc-7
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    BTW, many/all structural collapses of buildings are accompanied by loud booms and bangs which to the ears of people (esp. people who aren't experts with explosives) may sound like "explosions". But may instead be just the massive supports cracking, or floors internally collapsing etc.
    Good point given that this was not a typical demolition using traditional explosives that would produce the iconic "bang sounds" prior to the collapse; instead, since forms of incendiary were the main tool, the few bang sounds that were heard (before the big one at the end) could have been from the structure giving-way from the melting steel , or from the explosives they claim were also used. BTW, this is FAQ#8 on A&E for 911 Truth: https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/...ed-demolitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph. There is the same story with this as with "sounds of explosions". If thermite is used to melt & cut the beams and steel supports, thermite shouldn't "eject debrees at high speed". I guess the conspiracy nuts are willing to allege that it was explosives and thermite all crammed into the buildings? Hell, why not throw in a nuke for a good measure? Besides, wasn't this supposed to be a "controlled demolition"?
    Again, they suggest a combination of incendiaries and explosives were used (and that nanothermite is actually an explosive), thus explaining the ejections of multi-ton steel beams, which under normal circumstances from gravity alone, would have fallen straight down close to the building.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    BTW, what is strange with some materials getting "ejected" from a huge collapse with huge masses crashing down, huge physical forces in play and huge amounts of kinetic energy? Take a big hammer and crush something with it - chances are some pieces will come off flying laterally at high speeds.
    If it was just a building collapsing due to floors pancacking onto each other, the forces involved would not account for the multi-ton steel beams flying laterally the distance they did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles. I don't know what the conspiracy kooks are trying to prove there. First of all, I don't know if there even were these "tons of molten steel/iron". This could be just an urban myth invented by the conspiracy kooks on their stupid websites. But the funny thing is, IF it's real, then what does it prove? Excuse me, but controlled demolitions of buildings with explosives do not produce "tons of molten steel". If someone tried to use thermite to cut the steel beams and columns at some levels, this shouldn't produce all those huge amounts of molten steel either - the reasonable technique for demolitions is to use minimum amounts, strategically placed to damage or destroy structural elements. So, again, the conspiracy kooks are trying to present some "evidence" that simply does not make any sense.
    The incendiary-explosives used would have accounted for the molten steel. Never before, except for the demolition of the Reichstag dome shortly after WWII, has incendiary been used (documented) for a building demolition. Thermite Demolition: Reichstag 1954 vs. WTC2 9/11/01 - YouTube

    The quantities of incendiaries involved would cause the several tons of molten steel/iron that were observed. Temperatures taken from satellites of the debris confirmed these observations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Cannot comment on "X floors missing" or "Y tons of concrete pulverized", because I don't know where those numbers are coming from. My first guess would be that the conspiracy kooks are just making up random figures.
    They're not conspiracy kooks. They're tenured professors at universities commenting from their area of expertise i.e. Prof Neils Harrit (Chemistry, University of Copenhagen), Prof Leroy Hulsey (Structural Engineering, University of Alaska Fairbanks), Prof Steven Jones (Physics, Brigham Young University), etc. They have never spoken about missing floors. What they have commented on was the speed of the elimination of the debris/evidence. All the melted steel beams (of which they have pictures) were sent to China and completely destroyed/melted down/recycled. They wanted them for forensic analysis, as any sane person would after such an incident, and it was an outrage it was destroyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    =========================

    None of this garbage is evidence of anything. None of it adds up to a single, coherent theory.
    Now you're just being absurd, foolish and deceitful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    A lot of it is self-contradicting, like they are trying to just throw anything at the wall to see what sticks, pursuing mutually-exclusive theories. None of it is necessary to explain the observable phenomena.
    Wrong - what those doctors in science and engineering are presenting, explains the observed phenomena. The "official story" aka the NIST report does not explain the observed phenomena.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    A lot of the WTC conspiracies drivel back in the day was capitalizing on how laymen find it very strange and incredible that something as strong as steel can collapse due to some "measly fire" or some "kerosene burning". I must say, when I first heard about this whole thing (back in 2000s, many years ago now), it was one of the things that looked very strange and suspicious and I was finding it unbelievable that "kerosene fires melted steel columns". As a result, this was one of the thing driving me to listen seriously to all this conspiritarded drivel (back then). I distinctly recall this thing "but how could kerosene fire melt steel?" was on my mind back then. Sounded like a compelling point to me... at first.

    However, those types of arguments are predicated on ignorance. Steel beams and columns do not need to be melted for the building to collapse. Just by heating them the physical properties are changed and combined with the fact that some supports are destroyed outright by a kinetic impact, this can be sufficient to collapse an otherwise very strong building.
    Except construction building codes (at least in the USA) demand that when skyscrapers are constructed, they cannot fall from FIRE! Also, that's why fire fighting protocols allow firemen to go into skyscrapers that are raging infernos to rescue people, and park their trucks directly beside the buildings, because THEY KNOW they will not collapse from fire - and that's why over 340 firemen died on 911!

    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Back then these WTC collapses happened, there was scarcity of precedents and real-life examples to refer to. Not any more. We now have not only theories, but actual real life examples - some of them caught on video footage - of high rise structures will steel supports collapsing, due to fire. One of them is the Brazil high rise collapse (previously in this post), another is Windsor Tower (partial) collapse in Madrid 2005. I think there was another partial collapse in Tehran in these years following the 9/11. How many steel buildings have collapsed from fire - Quora
    Do not cite post-911 incidents from foreign countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Poison View Post
    Buildings are different, their structural design is different, and collapses are different. WTC collapses did have certain peculiar qualities, but all of that is fundamentally explainable by 1) peculiar features of their structural design, which were good for efficiency and economics but, in restrospect, produced a building vulnerable to this specific type of rapid collapse 2) an unusual and in many ways unique incident which included not only a fire but also a kinetic impact of a large object at high speed. __________________
    I know I, and I'm sure most the doctors of science and engineering in the organization Architects and Engineers for 911, would love to be proven wrong. That would lift a tremendous burden/fear of what our governments have become, not that those in our circles had much faith in them anyways. This new level of corruption is a side-effect of our (((modern multicultural state))) IMO. There is no British descendant organization nor voice anymore within the Anglosphere.

    I'll just say two things in closing Poison:

    1) For a period of several seconds, they did measure WTC7 falling not just near, but at free fall acceleration (aka ALL of the welded, bolted, reinforcement plated steel columns/beams suddenly gave-way nearly simultaneously)
    2) It's really too bad they didn't test for incendiaries nor explosives during the NIST investigation

    Lastly, while I appreciate your efforts as a mod on SF, I think anyone who can't afford a Sustaining Membership should take a break, and get a better grip on money making.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unconditioned Canuck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    How much explosives would it take to blow up the 2 buildings of the WTC? Then, how would these explosives get into the buildings and how many people would it take; and how long would it take to put those explosives in the buildings.
    Instead of asking the question, why not search for the answer and post it. It took me minutes of google searching.
    9/11 Conspiracy Theories: How long does it take to plan and execute a controlled demolition of a skyscraper? - Quora
    Quote Originally Posted by John Mixon
    Short answer: It depends
    Long answer: Anywhere from weeks to months.
    Among the many things which would have be done in advance of a successful building (demo) would be: ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel DeHaan
    It cracks me up how many answers describe SOP for safe, public demolition and all the preparation needed as the reason it’s unlikely.

    The alleged conspirators did not have to consider:
    - permits
    - safety
    - damage to property
    - death
    - state federal oversight

    Security was not an issue - Bush’s cousin’s company handled security at WTC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Smithe
    In a NORMAL controlled demolition the objective is to minimize the collateral damage. Therefore much time is devoted to figuring out the exactly correct places to put the minimum necessary amount of explosive material and detonate it at exactly the correct moment.

    But what if you don't care about collateral damage and intend to leave people in the building anyway? So if you pack in 20 times as much explosives as necessary then the positioning is not that critical and calculation time is greatly reduced.
    Quote Originally Posted by Micheal Sheehy
    Weeks to months,...
    BTW Ron, THREE, not two, but three, skyscrapers fell on 911, one of which wasn't hit by its intended plane (the one that was shot down over Pennsylvania).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    How much explosives would it take to blow up the 2 buildings of the WTC? Then, how would these explosives get into the buildings and how many people would it take; and how long would it take to put those explosives in the buildings.
    Dr Harrit describes the amount required and how it would have entered the buildings and the people required bearing the end of this video:

    Niels Harrit May 2016 London - YouTube


    FAQ #6: What is nanothermite? Could it have been used to demolish the Twin Towers and WTC 7?
    Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say | Deseret News

    Just vile, wretched and disgusting that the baby boom generation is about to die-off, and one of the greatest acts of corruption ever recorded will pass by with few to none of them noticing, as they stood/stand by and continue to allow our countries' media, banking system and security agencies to be nearly entirely controlled by a (((foreign nationality))), who used that power to flood our countries with Third World immigrants so that our ethnic group becomes an insignificant minority (of course it's what we sort of deserved considering we offered no significant push back).

    I really don't care about 911, as I don't work in the armed forces - the greatest financial tool we have, and the deaths/sacrifices were no worse than the 3000+ soldiers who died for us afterwards overseas, ... I just don't want our people being naive as to the extent of our abysmal situation (the indifference, the corruption) and Jewish power.

    Security Alerts, Disabled Fire Alarms, and Unused Elevators: Suspicious Events at the World Trade Center Before 9/11 - A&E for 911 Reevaluation.org

    Sept 7, 2018

    At least three notable anomalous events occurred at the World Trade Center in the weeks and months leading up to September 11, 2001, which may have related to the imminent terrorist attacks but could not have been caused by al-Qaeda, the group supposedly responsible for 9/11.

    There was an increase in security at the Trade Center in the two weeks before 9/11, for reasons that are unclear, which only ended the day before the attacks. Also, the fire alarm system in World Trade Center Building 7 was placed on "test condition" every morning in the seven days before the attacks and on the day of 9/11. While it was in this mode, any alarms would be ignored. WTC 7 was a massive skyscraper located just north of the Twin Towers, which mysteriously collapsed late in the afternoon of September 11. And some of the elevators in the Twin Towers were out of service in the months before the attacks, supposedly due to maintenance work or modernization.

    It seems odd that these events happened at the World Trade Center just before the Twin Towers were the target of a terrorist attack and three of the Trade Center buildings collapsed. It would have been notable if just one of them occurred in the period leading up to 9/11. The fact that all three did is remarkable.
    If they were willing to implement 911 last time, what will the next incident look like? I imagine some dirty nuclear bombs will be detonated in several of our cities, so the military can be given the green light to do what it needs to do to preserve our system.

    Anyways, hopefully the absurd UFOs and jews or Illuminati/Freemason spam threads in this forum pop-up again, to bury this thread - the intended purpose (point of discussion) of this forum, as again, I don't really give a damn either.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    Never Forget: Israeli Operatives Masterminded and Committed 9/11



    THE WORLD WILL NOT BE THE SAME FROM TODAY ON. IT’S AN ATTACK AGAINST OUR WHOLE CIVILIZATION. I DON’T KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, I BELIEVE WE WILL KNOW IN 12 HOURS [WHO IS RESPONSIBLE]. IF IT IS A KIND OF BIN LADEN ORGANIZATION AND EVEN IF IT’S SOMETHING ELSE I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO DEPLOY A GLOBALLY CONCERTED EFFORT LED BY THE UNITED STATES, THE UK, EUROPE AND RUSSIA, AGAINST ALL SOURCES OF TERROR. THE SAME KIND OF STRUGGLE THAT OUR FOREFATHERS LAUNCHED AGAINST THE PIRACY ON THE HIGH SEAS… EHUD BARAKHOURS AFTER 9/11 TRANSPIRED.


    Cui Bono

    9/11 The day the Trumpet blew for America. The trauma began with the magic deception of 9/11 being burned into the already dumbed down American mind.

    911 or Nine One-One, remember, is the number of the standardized emergency call in the USA; this is no coincidence, there are not coincidences in the presentation of the political reality we experience.

    It began, we are told, when flight “11” slams into one of the Twin Towers (also creating the number “11” if you look at the buildings) at 8:46 AM.

    The story told by the complicit media and the already prepared government ‘authorities’ was an absurd lie; the story is so ridiculous, only a 6 year old or a Harvard PhD could find it plausible.

    The 9/11 story was a mockery of truth and nature from start to the finish. Mockery sold as truth is mind damaging; it creates neurosis as contradictory ideas are presented by trusted authorities — stifling thought and defocusing interest.

    Mind numbing side-shows such as the numerology littered throughout the ‘event’, occult symbolism too, like George Bush reading “My Pet Goat” to kindergarten students, and the overwhelming other pieces of this nonsense pie presented with scripted perfection.

    Here are just some of the indicators that 9/11 was pre-planned military style operation with the primary suspect being Israel.


    • 1979 The War on Terror Doctrine introduced at the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism.






    • 1997 the NeoCon “think tank” of Christian Zionists and Zionists create the Project For The New American Century (PNAC) wherein they outline a plan for “Total War” against Israeli enemies in the Middle East. Under a banner of fighting terrorism, PNAC announced that what was needed to get Americans to support a “total war” against “terrorism” would be “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”.



    • September 11, 2001, “New Pearl Harbor” arrives – Airliners flown with extreme precision by novice pilots resulting in the melt down of 650,000 tons of steel and concrete with only jet fuel. In reality this story is impossible, and ridiculous.



    • September 11, 2001, Airliners shown on media screens (twice) flying straight into and disappearing from sight inside the massive concrete and steel world trade centers. Airliners are made basically of aluminum and plastic, there was no debris, nothing – it all vanished – gone. Conclusion: physically impossible and totally fabricated nonsense using movie technology, no credible evidence of any airliners flying into WTC1&2.



    • No video footage is ever seen (except 5 frames from a parking lot camera) from the world’s most surveilled building, the Pentagon, where clearly there was no passenger jet flown into the building: Conclusion impossible flight, it was a missile.



    • No visible evidence, at all, of an airplane in the ‘hole’ at Shanksville, Pennsylvania.



    • WTC 1&2 fall at nearly free fall speed: impossible without internal demolition
    • WTC 7 falls AT FREE FALL speed: impossible unless wired and wrapped previously for demolition









    • Cell phone calls were claimed to have come from passengers and flight attendants in high-jacked airliners saying they have been hijacked by ‘Middle Eastern‘ men. Conclusion: impossible, cell phone radiation is deliberately pointed downward, signal vanishes a few thousand feet above the cell towers.






    • Sham investigation of the crime by the same people implicated as the mostly likely criminals: age old government deception of investigating their own crimes.



    • Many Jewish people notifiednot to go to work at the World Trade Centers that day. Conclusion: absolute indication of pre-knowledge.



    • Larry Silverstein, and his Zionist accomplices manage to have the the Twin Towers transferred from public ownership of the Port Authority to private ownership (99 year lease,) just prior to September 2001. Silverstein then insures the buildings against “terrorism!” and receives $4.5 billion dollar pay out. He is allowed to collect twice because each building was deemed a separate incident in Federal court. Silverstein also owned building 7. Silverstein admitted later that he was already designing a new World Trade Center 7 building in 2000.



    • Within a few hours after the WTC towers attacked, Ehud Barak, Jewish former Israeli Defense Minister and former Israeli Prime Minister is on the BBC telling the world that Bin Laden was the culprit and that it was time to begin a “global war against terrorism.” Conclusion: Osama Bin Laden, a former Western intelligent asset had already be chosen as the bad guy.









    • In 2006 on CNN Benjamin Netanyahu saysI wrote a book in 1995, and I said that if the West doesn’t wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam, the next thing you will see is militant Islam bringing down the World Trade Center.” (video below)



    The above is just an entry point for those who have not done their homework. America is facing the prospect of a new contrived “Bolshevik Revolution,” that like 9/11 was planned and strategized and will be used to destroy the United States of America – as was done to Russia after the ‘revolution’ of 1917. This New Bolshevik Revolution will attempt to purge the world of Christians, whites and all those who will not accept the Jewish “Noahide Laws” and will not worship Israel and the Jewish people.


    The gun control hysteria in American today is also the work of Zionists and their secret underside – Communists, to disarm Americans and to paint white Americans as mass murderers, white supremacists, racists, and white nationalists (who are associated with Nazis.) The escalating number of “mass shootings,” claimed to be done by white supremacists and nationalists, is statistically unlikely unless in the light of an agenda. The psychological program is to associate white murderers with certain rifles, which would be ideally used for self defense after the “revolution” begins, with banning and confiscation as the goal. Next, this psychological operation marginalizes whites using labels designed to estrange and facilitate genocide. The goal of “gun control” is to disarm those who would resist the coming new “Red Terror.”


    Clandestine infiltration

    It should be no surprise that Israel is actively inviting law enforcement groups from around the United States to come to Israel and get trained by Mossad and other Israeli military units like the IDF. This tactic creates a relationship between the Israelis and American “enforcement” officers and softens the American men to accept harsher, militaristic tactics when dealing with American citizens.


    MONIES PROVIDED BY SUCH GROUPS AS THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE, THE AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE’S PROJECT INTERCHANGEAND THE JEWISH INSTITUTE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRSHAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR “AT LEAST 300 HIGH-RANKING SHERIFFS AND POLICE FROM AGENCIES LARGE AND SMALL – FROM NEW YORK AND MAINE TO ORANGE COUNTY AND OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA” TO ATTEND PRIVATELY FUNDED SEMINARS IN ISRAEL SINCE THE SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, TERRORIST ATTACKS, WINSTON DISCOVERED. JEWISH GROUPS PAY TO SEND U.S. POLICE TO TRAIN FOR COUNTER-TERRORISM IN ISRAEL


    Furthermore, training the police to emulate military organizations operating in an endless war zone is a danger to Americans and it can further divide loyalties if, and when, Americans come to an awareness to the dangers of Israel occupying the most important positions of power in the United States.

    Currently the Trump Administration is highly over represented with Christian Zionists, Zionist and members of Chabad Lubavitch. Trump’s daughter and son in law are Jewish, with Kushner associated with Chabad Lubavitch, a radical element of Orthodox Jewry often associated with terrorist activity. Many insiders thought to be involved with the crimes of 9/11 are also members of Chabad – including former Assistant Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, Senator Joseph Lieberman, former Senator Carl Levin, Orthodox Jewish rabbi and former Pentagon comptroller, Dov Zakheim, and former White House Chief of Staff, Ari Fleisher, former Secretary of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, and former White House official Joshua Bolton.

    The much talked about so-called “Middle East Peace Plan” is being handled entirely by 38 year old Jared Kushner, a Zionist and Orthodox Jew and his appointed ‘advisor to the advisor’ Jewish assistant, 31 year old Avi Berkowitz, another member of Chabad Lubavitch. Trump’s largest campaign donations came from mega wealthy Jewish investor and business magnate Sheldon Adelson and Trump has pledged repeatedly his undying support for Israel, while ignoring completely the crimes of Israel.

    The Sad Truth: Donald Trump and His Evangelical Base
    Americans should have deep concerns about the degree to which Zionists and Jewish elements have control of the government of the United States.


    “YOU WILL PAY DEARLY FOR IT EUROPEANS! TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA! AND YOU WILL HAVE NO PLACE TO RUN TO. BECAUSE ALL THE EVIL YOU HAVE DONE TO ISRAEL [THE JEWS], YOU WILL PAY FOR IT A HUNDRED-FOLD. WHEN ITALY WILL BE GONE, WHEN EDOM (THAT IS WHY CHRISTIANITY’S HEADQUARTERS, WHICH COME FROM ‘HESSAL’, IS THERE), WHEN THAT PLACE WILL BE GONE, AND THAT’S WHAT ISLAM IS GOING TO DO. ISLAM IS THE BROOM OF ISRAEL, YOU HAVE TO KNOW IT. SO, INSTEAD OF HAVING US DO ALL THE JOB, HE SENDS ISHMAEL TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WHEN HE IS GOING TO CLEAN ALL THIS AND THAT THE WINE WILL COME BACK HOME, THEN IT’S MELAH RAMACHIAR(MESSIAH TIME).”
    RABBI RAV DAVID TOUITOU


    Conclusion

    This September 11, 2019, Americans should wake up and face the dangerous enemy that now controls their Federal Government, the military, media, medicine, financial system and more. The “corridors of power” and key positions in industry, education, finance, banking, medicine and more are controlled by a religiously homogeneous minority that openly claims they will rule world. This situation can lead to European and Christian Americans become disenfranchised and enslaved in their own country.



    If Americans study the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel in 1967 resulting in the death of 34 soldiers and 173 injured as they attempted to sink this American military vessel for their own political benefit, they will see that 9/11 is the same exact scenario.



    IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT JUDAISM GAVE BIRTH TO MARXISM, AND IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT THE JEWS READILY TOOK UP MARXISM; ALL THIS WAS IN PERFECT ACCORD WITH THE PROGRESS OF JUDAISM AND THE JEWS. THE JEWS SHOULD REALIZE THAT JEHOVAH NO LONGER DWELLS IN HEAVEN, BUT HE DWELLS IN US RIGHT HERE ON EARTH; WE MUST NO LONGER LOOK UP TO JEHOVAH AS ABOVE US AND OUTSIDE OF US, BUT WE MUST SEE HIM RIGHT WITHIN US,” (P. 148) “SINCE THE JEWS ARE THE HIGHEST AND MOST CULTURED PEOPLE ON EARTH, THE JEWS HAVE A RIGHT TO SUBORDINATE TO THEMSELVES THE REST OF MANKIND AND TO BE THE MASTERS OVER THE WHOLE EARTH. NOW, INDEED, THIS IS THE HISTORIC DESTINY OF THE JEWS,” (P. 99) “JUDAISM IS COMMUNISM, INTERNATIONALISM, THE UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN, THE EMANCIPATION OF THE WORKING CLASS AND THE HUMAN SOCIETY. IT IS WITH THESE SPIRITUAL WEAPONS THAT THE JEWS WILL CONQUER THE WORLD AND THE HUMAN RACE.” (P. 100) [PDF 2012 FEB] THE JEW WORLD ORDER UNMASKED –A PROGRAM FOR THE JEWS AND AN ANSWER TO ALL ANTI-SEMITES: A PROGRAM FOR HUMANITY RABBI HARRY WATON (1939) [BOLD ADDED]




    If you want to know how Israel would treat those under their domination, investigate how they treat Palestinians, the original inhabitants of Palestine.

    Never Forget: Israel Did 9/11



    SEVEN COUNTRIES IN FIVE YEARS WESLEY CLARK:

    ABOUT TEN DAYS AFTER 9/11, I WENT THROUGH THE PENTAGON AND I SAWSECRETARY RUMSFELD AND DEPUTY SECRETARY WOLFOWITZ. I WENT DOWNSTAIRS JUST TO SAY HELLO TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE JOINT STAFFWHO USED TO WORK FOR ME, AND ONE OF THE GENERALS CALLED ME IN. HE SAID, “SIR, YOU’VE GOT TO COME IN AND TALK TO ME A SECOND.” I SAID, “WELL, YOU’RE TOO BUSY.” HE SAID, “NO, NO.” HE SAYS, “WE’VE MADE THE DECISION WE’RE GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ.” THIS WAS ON OR ABOUT THE 20TH OF SEPTEMBER. I SAID, “WE’RE GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ? WHY?” HE SAID, “I DON’T KNOW.” HE SAID, “I GUESS THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.” SO I SAID, “WELL, DID THEY FIND SOME INFORMATION CONNECTING SADDAM TO AL-QAEDA?” HE SAID, “NO, NO.” HE SAYS, “THERE’S NOTHING NEW THAT WAY. THEY JUST MADE THE DECISION TO GO TO WAR WITH IRAQ.” HE SAID, “I GUESS IT’S LIKE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT TERRORISTS, BUT WE’VE GOT A GOOD MILITARY AND WE CAN TAKE DOWN GOVERNMENTS.” AND HE SAID, “I GUESS IF THE ONLY TOOL YOU HAVE IS A HAMMER, EVERY PROBLEM HAS TO LOOK LIKE A NAIL.”

    SO I CAME BACK TO SEE HIM A FEW WEEKS LATER, AND BY THAT TIME WE WERE BOMBING IN AFGHANISTAN. I SAID, “ARE WE STILL GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ?” AND HE SAID, “OH, IT’S WORSE THAN THAT.” HE REACHED OVER ON HIS DESK. HE PICKED UP A PIECE OF PAPER. AND HE SAID, “I JUST GOT THIS DOWN FROM UPSTAIRS” — MEANING THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE’S OFFICE — “TODAY.” AND HE SAID, “THIS IS A MEMO THAT DESCRIBES HOW WE’RE GOING TO TAKE OUT SEVEN COUNTRIES IN FIVE YEARS, STARTING WITH IRAQ, AND THEN SYRIA, LEBANON, LIBYA, SOMALIA, SUDAN AND, FINISHING OFF, IRAN.” I SAID, “IS IT CLASSIFIED?” HE SAID, “YES, SIR.” I SAID, “WELL, DON’T SHOW IT TO ME.” AND I SAW HIM A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND I SAID, “YOU REMEMBER THAT?” HE SAID, “SIR, I DIDN’T SHOW YOU THAT MEMO! I DIDN’T SHOW IT TO YOU!” – WESLEY CLARK


    Jewish Employees Warned in Advance

    WASHINGTON POST, “INSTANT MESSAGES TO ISRAEL WARNED OF WTC ATTACK”, 28 SEPTEMBER 2001.


    OFFICIALS AT INSTANT-MESSAGING FIRM ODIGO CONFIRMED TODAY THAT TWO EMPLOYEES RECEIVED TEXT MESSAGES WARNING OF AN ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TWO HOURS BEFORE TERRORISTS CRASHED PLANES INTO THE NEW YORK LANDMARKS. CITING A PENDING INVESTIGATION BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE COMPANY DECLINED TO REVEAL THE EXACT CONTENTS OF THE MESSAGE OR TO IDENTIFY THE SENDER.


    Netanyahu Explaining the 2000 year old Second Law

    “IF WE GET CAUGHT THEY WILL JUST REPLACE US WITH PERSONS OF THE SAME CLOTH. SO IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DO, AMERICA IS A GOLDEN CALF AND WE WILL SUCK IT DRY, CHOP IT UP, AND SELL IT OFF PIECE BY PIECE UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT BUT THE WORLD’S BIGGEST WELFARE STATE THAT WE WILL CREATE AND CONTROL. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE WILL OF GOD AND AMERICA IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE THE HIT SO WE CAN DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO COUNTRIES THAT WE HATE. WE DESTROY THEM VERY SLOWLY AND MAKE THEM SUFFER FOR REFUSING TO BE OUR SLAVES.”BENJAMIN NETANYAHU



















    The Trumpet blew and the message was clear — We have come to America as a conquering force and there is nothing the former Republic of the United States can do about it.


    9/11 is still an ongoing day to day trauma-based mind-controlling psychological operation. Each time someone dials 911 for help, she or he is maintaining the spell of September 11, 2001.


    The act of calling for help by dialing 911 is a mockery of Americans operating continuously with impunity.


    After 9/11, Americans gave up their remaining Liberty to a band of International Usurpers operating from a breakaway civilization; usurpers’ who believe they have a God Given right to rule the world.


    The money used to murder the people in the WTC buildings and destroy a large portion of New York City (a fire base for the international usurpers) was stolen from the American people. Most of it delivered voluntarily by participating in the financial slavery system called central banking and the use of a private debt currency called Federal Reserve Notes. And let’s not forget on 9/10 (the day before), Donald “Mr. Aspartame” Rumsfeld announced the government had “lost” 2.3 Trillion Dollars. (http://www.stevia.net/aspartame.htm)



    Wake up America — The nation was attacked and fully occupied on September 11th – not by Muslim terrorists operating from a cave and learning to fly Boeing jumbo jets with Cessna lessons (mockery of course) – but by an International religious organization claiming to own the world.


    Research 9/11 and all the other false flags in recent times (Sandy Hook for example.) Ask yourself why the usurpers must have your guns. Learn about the white genocide in progress around the world (South Africa) and imagine a world without European created systems of Law and Order, protection of property rights, electricity, medicine, transportation and more —


    The end result of the New World Order will be a New World Dark Age.



    References:


    The War on Terror, the Plot to Rule the Middle East, Christopher Bolyn


    America Nuked on 9/11: Compliments of the CIA, the Neocons in the DoD & the Mossad, Dr. James H. Fetzer


    9/11 the Day the Laws of Physics and Nature were Suspended , Jack Mullen


    Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, Michael Ruppert


    RECENT MASS SHOOTINGS POINT TO THEM BEING ORCHESTRATED EVENTS


    CHABADNIKS, ZIONISTS & 9/11 INSIDERS Parts -1,2,3




    Veterans Today Never Forget: Israeli Operatives Masterminded and Committed 9/11 | Jack Mullen9 11 2019.


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